SU-33 Balance Discussion: BR Adjustment and R-77 Missiles

[warthogboy09]

@XAxV0IDx

give the su-33 The R-27EA’s

Non-existent missile.

And even if it did exist, it would not be 13.0, it would be 14.3 as the R-27EA would just flat out be the best missile in-game by a country mile.

[warthogboy09]

@CorruptShadows9

Add a variant of the Su-33 into the tech tree, likely beneath the Yak-41, that was R-77 Capable around 13.7

Show me this variant IRL, good luck.

[CorruptShadows9]

yeah I didn’t realize when I was writing I was operating fully under “It was revealed to me in a dream”
While trying to find any documentation the most reliable manuals I found were a DCS Flight Manual and one for the F-35A, for some reason

[Von_Valinor]

@_K4vA_

Su-33 could have theoretically gained the capability to carry the R-77 in later versions.

which version?
except for the test versions and prototypes, the SU 33 only has a 2 operational variant
Su33 and Su33UB/Su33D (two seats).

Unfortunately the su 33 never used the r77.

If you want the modern su33 with fox3 so much, grind China and wait for the j15 to come to the game

[TheArcticFoxxo]

@XAxV0IDx

Dude The Su-33 that Had r-77’s never left the prototype stage

No Su-33 prototype ever had R-77s. The only prototype aircraft that did carry it were of the T-10M derivative, not the T-10K.

@XAxV0IDx

be more realistic the Su-33 can use R-27EA’s but we don’t get them.

Didn’t do that either… The Su-35 was the only aircraft to carry R-27EAs, and conducted its only launch test.

[TheArcticFoxxo]

@warthogboy09

Non-existent missile.

It exists, though it’s nothing more than a prototype.

It’s has more leverage than the R-74ME at least, which was developed but never tested.

[AllNationEnjoyer]

@Shplendyt

The R-27ERs of the Su-33 are faster than any ARH missile in the game right now while matching them in range.

Not exactly. Amraams are pretty similar at long range

[AllNationEnjoyer]

@warthogboy09

And even if it did exist, it would not be 13.0, it would be 14.3 as the R-27EA would just flat out be the best missile in-game by a country mile.

no lol, it would be 14.0, calm down

[warthogboy09]

If you’re stupid… Sure…

[AllNationEnjoyer]

no? because its still a flanker with a missile that is basically just slightly better than the amraam. you are overrating the package

[warthogboy09]

It’s a substantial direct upgrade in every category over the AMRAAM, which is already moaned about as an OP missile, which you can carry the same max number of, in addition to 4 of arguably the best IR missiles, on the revised flanker FM, with a modern RWR, and a radar that while hampered by the big that effects all radars at this time, is still more than capable of allowing the R-27EA to stretch it’s legs to its full extent especially because it is the only radar that has the option of hprf tws for ““some”” reason.

[AllNationEnjoyer]

and yet after all that something tells me the current 14.0s would keep up just fine

[Kicimijazawa]

@Von_Valinor

Su-33 could have theoretically gained the capability to carry the R-77 in later versions.

Hurricane could ‘theoretically’ be a jet in later versions… Just saying…

[EbAR_nN3AA]

Su-30’s also tested and used r-27ea’s from what I’ve read but they most likely use the EM variant as the EA were much more limited in quantity

[TheDudesRug]

Show me some R-27ER goodness, boys:

Beating F-15Es with the R-27ER

Using the R-27ER against F-15E can be extremely efficient. The idea is that by firing the ER first so that it can reach Mach 5 before the F-15E is even in engagement range. This is made possible by the insane speed of the F-15 . In this example, I fired my ER at 30 Km, pretty close to an ER. The F-15 at this point has an altitude and speed advantage. He’s probably on Mach 1.5 Now I am on mach 1.2. Because the F-15E player does not want to turn because his Amraam is not yet in effective range(…

You’ve chosen to grind and use a squadron vehicle. Make it work.

[TheArcticFoxxo]

To my knowledge the R-27EM was never carried or tested, only modified off of the R-27EA mere weeks before funding was dropped and the R-77 was deemed the prevailing design.

Much like the K-74ME, it was built from a missile that did indeed receive testing, but simply added minor upgrades. It never had the time nor funding to go through with trials.

[XAxV0IDx]

They did quite literally made a su-33 with Fox-3 capabilities and tested it, but that was one prototype, Russia used r-27EA’s on the su-33’s because the radar systems could work with the EA’s unlike the R-77’s


I mean if you are able to see the picture you can see that they are carrying R-27EA/EM. (Edit: one of the pictures shows both the ER and the EA being used on the plane)

[XAxV0IDx]

Also No that’s not true multiple aircraft were able to carry the R-27EA’s The MiG-29 and Su-27 could both carry it as well as the Su-33

[UniqueScorpions]

Tbf with how bad R-77s are… it wouldn’t make a difference.

The Su-27sm, Mig-29smt, and Su-34 really shouldn’t be 13.7, and instead 13.3 for sim / rb due to their “best” (not) aam performance.

So far playing the F-15E I’ve died I think 5 times? 4 of which were Rafael / euro fighters, and the last was 2x MiG-29smts firing R-73s at me.

So I haven’t died yet to an R-77

[coffee_can]

The su27sm is really good at 13.7 since it was double buffed (engine/flight model) and the r77 isn’t bad it just doesn’t have the range of the aim120, but within visual range it’s definitely superior as it has a 15g higher overload and comparable speed/acceleration. For longer ranges or rear aspect shots the r27er is still really dangerous and you can make it work well if you bring two. I would love the r27ea to be added but it never ended service and was abandoned (not like that matter though look at the SRAAM) it would also be the best arh missile by a country mile I doubt we’ll see it until the aim120c