I know this is kinda off-topic. But it’s truly amazing how these “technicalities” are brought up and disregarded. Especially since all the F-14D players have basically been insuiniating the same exact thing lol but don’t disregard it.
Isnt there a slight difference that with F-14D its documented that AMRAAM was planned but the software upgrade never went through vs. ASSUMING Su-33 could potentionally recieve upgrade to carry ARHs, but we have NO sources for that?
Sounds like tad bit different situation to me.
“Planned but upgrade never went through/had potential to wield” falls in line with a lot of vehicles.
Sources or no sources, there have been plenty of debates that end falling along the lines of “If it wasn’t put into service, then it’s a no-go”.
So I find it very humurous that people are willing to put that aside for the F-14 of all vehicles but then turn around and throw shade to already exisitng exceptions, after voicing that they don’t want continous exceptions to be made–((unless it benifits “x, y, z”
Again, youre putting = between “F-14D upgrade that is well documented and we know the specifics of, its just that it wasnt implemented software side” and “Su-33 upgrade that was revealed to me in dream”
Im not saying F-14D should get AMRAAMs but i dont think its fair to try to use F-14D case to justify theoretical abstract Su-33 upgrade.
Only one of those upgrades allow you to read upon the details of how it would look without use of a crystal divination ball, and it isnt the Su-33 one.
Supposedly there were plans for it in the mid 90’s.
Though, This never went anywhere. There were no tests, or even mockups attached to the plane.
Even as of the latest upgrades (~2016) Sukhoi confirms that the Su-33 is incompatible with Fox-3s since the RU Navy primarily uses the MiG-29KR anyway.
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Sure, I take your word for it, but that still reads as Su-33 ARH upgrade being at entirely different stage than F-14D one and as such it is still unfair to compare them.
Most likely it isn’t too difficult to upgrade Su-33 with R-77 compatibility, N001 can be upgraded and wiring probably not a problem since J-11A exists. Russian navy probably doesn’t care about Su-33 because they are old airframes, and 29KR exists. Even 2016 upgrade consists of new RWR and surprisingly new targeting/navigation hardware for better A2G performance with free fall ammunition.
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I agree lol, That’s why I also pointed out
The question isn’t of difficulty but if they did or didn’t. And from what I’ve seen they haven’t (and really don’t have a reason to).
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I agee, it’s just academic entertainment. Because otherwise we can slap R-77s on 9.12 and 9.13, R-27s on MiG-23ML and Phoenixes on F-4J, as well as F-15 if my memory serves me right
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Historically accurate.
( also how much can it carry of Phoenixes? )
Just 1 it seems.
The missile seems to be some kind of an ICBM, possibly nuclear tipped, or for Strategic support.
Probably should of specified, but I’m not trying to justify it. i’m just pointing out woeful inconsistencies. Like how the yak-141 has irst that wasn’t actually put into service, but it had readily avaliable for the aircraft and people are quite quick to criticize examples of these kind of exceptions, until they convenienantly dont
the yak-141 wasnt ever in service and never left the prototype phase
that is why the yak-141 ingame has the IRST, a Radar and missiles
the F-14D and Su-33 are both aircraft that went into service and thus are only getting the armament that they were actually compatible with
Well, missiles were test fired from it, but IRST i’m not even sure that it was even planned for Yak-41 (141 was a designation used to set records iirc, combat aircraft would be Yak-41)
And some how the whole concept of prototype vehicles/experimental tech that can be found in game isn’t a bigger stretch than giving AMRAAMs to the f14D.
Because this is probably the only exception players are wanting to let slip by while every other paper tank, technical exception, literally anything else, has recieved negative feedback and has had pushback.
Not to mention the ONLY reason people are pushing so hard for this is because Phonexies simply aren’t competitive, that’s literally it.
Then some players don’t realize as adding prototypes/experimental vehicles is a bigger stretch than giving f14D w/amraams and ofc people will give negative feedback when theirs clearly doble standards happening. Aim54 and aim7M are unreliable as well plus their nothing wrong in making it more competitive also the AMRAAMs will bring new combat abilities and not just bvr or trying to rely on aim7m. Hopefully the premium f14D get aim-7p-2(13.3) and tech tree f14D(r) w/aim-120A(13.7)
See that’s just the problem, players look back at old issues to justify reinstating those issues when they want too. Then make it an issue again when it’s not in their favor. There has been plenty of vehicles in-game that could of or would of used weapon but were not put into actual service, moved to a different platform, tech wasn’t ready yet, etc. F-14D is the only platform I’m seeing this push from.
If another vehicle in the future gets a similar suggestion, I should absolutely not see any complaints if people are willing to bypass it is my point. It really doesn’t matter how close something was being put into service. If it wasn’t put into service, then that falls into the category with everything else and every other exisitng vehicle in the game. Regardless if there is hard proof, or no hard proof, it’s still an exception at the end of the day.