SU-33 Balance Discussion: BR Adjustment and R-77 Missiles

Ok, F-15 better RWR/Radar/CM count/FM overall and 9M is better in any mode that isnt arcade or arb

That’s 2 of the 3 air modes lol

Yeah? Airplanes are also commonly used in 1. sim and more importantly,2. GRB!

So it’s a 50/50 split for which missile is better.

The HMD helps a lot, and sure the radar is worse but once the bugs are fixed it’ll be more even.

The CM on Su-27 are all large too.

Su-27 fm got buffed a lot recently so I wouldn’t be so sure

No, russian radars are just worse than western ones right now besides 29SMT.

Doesn’t matter when you have the F-15’s CM count.

I play the su27 a lot…

Nothing. But rather pointing out the US tech tree has owned the sky’s for most of the games life

Wasn’t Su-27 up there for a bit?

And the last time the US tt actually dominated was F-14A. Iirc we didn’t even get the best F-16, we didn’t get the best F-15 either

Not really owning in the way the F-14, F-15, or F-16 did. Not even close.

US has not dominated since F-14A. Other tt have been allowed to get better versions of our jets from F-16 to now

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F15 moment? Also F15A was still on par with Japan’s F15, only difference was missiles amd the Japanese F15 weighed 500kg more. So idk see your point unless i missed something since i played them on launch.

Fair enough, but when F-15C and F-15E dropped both were overshadowed in air by the JM and I respectively

F-15E over shadowed? That was the single handedly most spammed plane of the last year. Entire sim matches would be a whole red team vs SpamRamm

I haven’t even spaded my F-15E yet and I find it far far more enjoyable than any Russian aircraft.

As the F-15E can outrange most enemies (of course not others with Aim-120) but it has crazy acceleration and even the Su-27SM cannot out run it.

It isn’t a turn fighter sure, but stealth attacks and boom and zoom it excels at.

F-15I is outright better or equal in every way

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The F-15I was going to be better until the USA mains took up pitch forks and cried since they didn’t get the best plane of the update.

Then the F-15E got better engines, making them equal pretty much.

When they withheld 229 from F-15E because “we don’t want the F-15C to be overshadowed” then added the F-15I id say it was justified

And the I has lower drag due to engine covers, as well as 120 more countermeausres

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Yes the F-15I has a slight advantage still but not a leap.

Flying my F-15E I have never run out of cms, or had any drag problems.

My only problem was trying to use it as a turn fighter against a Rafael

I never said it was a leap. My point is that the US hasn’t actually dominated for some time now, due to other countries getting better versions of our jets.

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But hardly anyone plays Japan or Israel air.

You may see 1 person a match or either or.

75% of blue side is typically USA

Where as Redfor is typically a good mix of Russia, Germany, and China

But anyways, back to the topic, the Su-33 is still over br’d same with the Su-27.

Su-27 cannot be 12.7 though. It’s missiles are simply too good to go down.

And su-33 is just a su-27 with much better fm no?

You are correct in both.
That’s why they should both be 13.0.

I personally wouldn’t care if they remove 2 SARH from each to make them 13.0 but being 13.3 is un-useable as all that happens is you get sucked into SPAMRAMM and you literally can’t do anything