You know the same list can be made backwards with the Su27? The jets have PROS and CONS on one another…
You’re enabling him.
I know. I said as much in my post.
If he lashes out after that, I’ll just flag him and let the mods deal with him. Simple as.
Riddle me this Batman, where do the German games fall when they are all Soviet aircraft anyway…?
Not like looking at stats shows the whole picture as number of games is inflated by GSB, total kills or kills per match shows a much better analysis.
Correct. A day with 13.3 as top would solve this. Moving the Su-27s down does not.
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Yeah. That’s top tier balance in a nutshell at the moment… Stuff shouldn’t go down, it should go up in 99% of cases.
I am so absolutely glad you said this.
As Redfor is always out numbered either 2:1 or 3:1
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best SARH? Maybe fastest. But after the patch that dropped ARH into everyone’s laps, it seems like the R-27ER/Ts dropped in effectiveness. They’re far easier to chaff / flare, or notch.
F-15A gets 8 AAMs
Su-33 gets 10 aams -
The fact they have large cms doesn’t seemingly matter against Aim-9ms, those are still luck based to dodge. Aim-7s can be semi easy to dodge based on the range, but ultimately they’re equal to R-27ERs in ability to drop lock.
In terms of cms, in game, you can live based on pure number you have. Things like the F14B are hard to down due to 480x cms, even if they’re smaller.
F-15 gets 240 vs the measly 48 of the Su-33
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RWRs are equal, which is funny to think a 13.0 this good is still 13.0 (F-15A)
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IRST tracking, is one benefit it gets yes. Now you actually have a ball in your court. But, with how the radar and irst system loves to drop lock for no reason (not nearly as bad as Mig-29SMT, but still bad) if you launch at a target, you best hope you can quickly reacquire the target.
The F-15s / F-16s have a higher refresh rate. And they also have a wider radar scope. With Similar scale to the Su-33 -
HDM TWS which works worse than the actual search mode itself on those radars? Lmao… okay.
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Until recently, the Su-27/33/27SM were all underperforming in their FM, now with it adjusted but not even fully corrected, they may be slightly better. The benefit should mainly come from two things: High altitude SARH slinging, and WVR.
But again, guess what nation doesn’t have a smokeless aam? Russia. Aim-9ms are so ungodly busted in Sim it’s not even funny.
You forgot to compare: weight, acceleration, cockpit visibility, size, drag, etc.
Which in most of these cases ^ the F-15 is better. Lower weight, better cockpit, smaller, pretty sure even more fuel too.
The F-15 is lighter, with comparable engine output, and higher top speed. It has a higher cannon ammo count, higher visibility out of the cockpit, and is smaller.
This can also carry an extra 18x 500 lb bombs.
This is 13.0 in sim
The Su-33 turns better and has IRST with the ability to carry 2 more aams.
This has to sacrifice aams to carry ordinance, and far less than the F-15 for that matter.
This is 13.3
Please continue to tell me how the Su-33 shouldn’t be at 13.0
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If USSR answer to the F-15 should be the same BR as the earliest variant of the F-15, then the USA’s answer to the Su-27 should be the same BR as the earliest variant of the Su-27
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but they can still add it and it would change to much tho
I remember when the F-14 ruled the skies forever. Then came out the Mig-29 and F-16, then the F-16 ruled the skies, then the F14B, etc etc
huh? have they added Block 60?
only plane with IRST in US TT is… F-8E
nope, just dont fly straight after flare(and still in such cases(flying straight) 9M can miss)
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and the su-33 could get the R-27Ea/Em/Ep missils to
The aim-9m
Has to:
- Be detected
- Flared consistently and turn your engine off
- Preform high G turns and burn all your speed
All to avoid.
Pretty hard to do, vs an R-73 will go after a flare or two. With the engine off.
not really a hard thing, when you have an all aspect IR AAM
just few flares and turn at same moment.
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Would you love to demonstrate? I have an F15E, and you’re going to detect a tiny smokeless aam?
Sounds like you have some suspicious mods or cheats on if you can see something that small
just use another IR AAM seeker.
too lazy to play WT rn.
you dont need to see, when you can predict using your own AAM
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Although that is a good method, a lot of aams aren’t that great at picking up the Aim-9m.
What does this have to do with US answer to Su-27?
you can lock enemy plane, not AIM-9
I am saying they are roughly equivalent…
Su-27 better dogfighter and better missiles
Again, if the aircraft made to beat another is at the same BR as literally the earliest in-game version of that jet, then it should also go the other way around