Has no place being 13.0, same as the rest of the Flankers.
I think its br right suits it pretty well considering how its an Su-27 that trades countermeasures and speed for more missiles
If it were to get R-77 it wouldn’t really be realistic and if it did then it would bring into question why other aircraft dont have them (Mig-21bison and Yak 141)
If it went down to 12.7 then it would also make sense for the Su-27 to go down which would then also mean aircraft like the F-15a and Jas-39a could also go down because they perform similar or worse than the Su-27
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I think the Su-27 is imo the best 13.0, im looking forward to my Su-33 but yeah if the Su-33 goes down that means all the other 13.0 fighters without fox 3 should also
The R-27EA and other variants of it are paper missiles that supposedly exist in real life but have no service record, conveniently look exactly like the R-27ER, and most importantly have more range than an Aim-120D with Mach 6 speeds (allegedly). (Also, no newer Russian vehicle has came out saying they support this missile, despite it having better performance than other missiles)
They’ll never be added, and if they are, it’ll be when the meteor, R-37M and PL-15 are added.
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Correct me if I’m wrong, but there is an F-15, and F-16 that are 13.0 with better radar systems than the Su-33
It’s called being fair
Last I checked the F-15A and F-16ADF both only carry the AIM-7M.
Remove the R-27ER and then sure! Any Su-27 you want can be 13.0.
do you play ussr at all? your comments are 100% of the time pro-west and anti-ussr regarding this game’s balance. su27s are unplayable trash in sim currently
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I do. Su-25T is currently the most fun I’ve had in Sim.
I also can look at the game objectively and see the MiG-29G absolutely rinses the competition on 13.0 days. And Su-27s are direct upgrades in every category to the fulcrum.
yeah so I checked and you’ve never played the Su-27 but are adamant that the USSR’s answer and equivalent to the Eagle isn’t the same BR despite them being the same BR in RB and it being both fine and logical? I’m just gonna write ya off as biased. This also comes from me knowing that in 100 different topics you’ve always been anti-ussr. They trade blows in capability… they are roughly equivalent aircraft. You specifically making a giant fuss about r27er makes no sense when the su27 pilot can also pull out the fact you have a way better radar, rwr, and better IR missiles (besides 27ET which is its own thing) while still having a great FM especially for sim
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Su-27 and MiG29s have the same radar, which is more than useable even in 14.0 brackets, let alone 13.0, RWR is only slightly less due to no ID, but that isn’t the case for Su-33, and no the R-73 is not worse than the 9M. It suits the Eastern aircraft FMs better for WVR fights.
I have more than enough experience with both The 29A and 29 G for these opinions, which both have worse flight performance than the Su-27s.
jets are more than singular isolated elements of their existence…the last 4 words of your comment (which will probably be forced removed soon) is ironic as hell…
LMAO
Spoiler
Me on the way to drop another objectively correct opinion that makes people butthurt
you got a reputation for a reason I guess (the reputation is not for well reasoned takes nor is it for civility)
Better radar. More cms, F16 is still a UFO, F-15 is a speed demon. Sure, fairrrr.
Give the Su-33 280 cms, and a better radar, with ARH aams and it can be 13.7
It’s a joke it’s 13.3, when USA planes get to own 12.7 - 10.3 and 14.0 - 13.0 they’re still super strong.
They’re also larger… and Russia doesn’t have the Mig-29G if you haven’t noticed
And?
And? That doesn’t mean the Flankers should drop below where they belong. Last I checked USSR fights with Germany every time.
I should’ve realized you’re biased or a troll from your name alone lol.
Bring some facts to the table before you respond. As all you’ve brought so far is opinion
Ok.
Only in a straight comparison to the F-15A, despite being pointless in a vacuum as they don’t exist alone in a hypothetical 13.0 match
Fact: the Su-27/Su-33 has an HMD, the F-15A doesn’t
Fact: the Su-27/33 carries 6/8 of undisputably the best SARH in-game in addition to 4 asymmetrically equivalent IR missiles.
Fact: the Su-27/33 despite having less total CM pops, has all large CMs that deploy more effectively
Fact: the Su-33 has just as good of RWR as the F-15A
Fact: the Su-27/33 gets an IRST for passive tracking, which actually matters in Sim
Fact: the Su-27/33s radar actually gets it’s full detection and lock range, unlike the F-15A which is verifiably underperforming, regardless of which is longer.
Fact: the Su-27/33 actually gets access to HDN TWS which actually benefits it in long range tracks, the F-15A does not for ‘"some reason’"
Fact: the Su-27/33 FM benefits it in WVR for employment of R-73s, regardless of how much bitching people that don’t know what they are talking about spew for Oswald Efficiency numbers.
So with that what are we left with?
The F-15A gets AIM-9Ms which still must be manually locked or else give up any stealthy launch anyway and are easier to defeat than R-73s if you know they are launching at you ? Or are you upset that it has a flight performance advantage in a pure 1v1 guns only dogfight?
Give me a break XD.
The only legitimate gripe with the N019/N001 radar is the repeating scan radar bug that affects all radars including the APG-63s.
except you’d still be extremely biased to the point of having no ability to have an educated opinion lol, its clear how you write
also, unless you only played ussr for a year, you wouldnt match your western jet games lol
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You have valid points tbh. I just think the issue is compression in general. I don’t have the Su-33, nor have I played it in sim but I have played the soviet Su-27 in sim; and it does feel like it struggles at times. It’s very match dependent.
If it’s a downtier lobby? Hell yea, you can rinse everything. But going against ARH spam isn’t fun which is why I avoid playing REDFOR at that BR in sim.
Balance is a weird concept. The R-27ER dominates in a lobby where no ARH is available, but against ARH it finds itself outmatched. It’s an odd match up that does reflect the differences in doctrine that NATO and REDFOR have.
I do agree though that in your average match up, F-15A loses. To claim otherwise is dumb. But you have to remember that the matchmaker has a lot of other planes. Especially if there’s 14.0s in the lobby. I remember on launch day how I practically bullied Su-33s with my Italian Eurofighter. It was very dirty, and unfair.
Idk. Just don’t be so emotional about it. Calm down man.