no? because its still a flanker with a missile that is basically just slightly better than the amraam. you are overrating the package
It’s a substantial direct upgrade in every category over the AMRAAM, which is already moaned about as an OP missile, which you can carry the same max number of, in addition to 4 of arguably the best IR missiles, on the revised flanker FM, with a modern RWR, and a radar that while hampered by the big that effects all radars at this time, is still more than capable of allowing the R-27EA to stretch it’s legs to its full extent especially because it is the only radar that has the option of hprf tws for ““some”” reason.
and yet after all that something tells me the current 14.0s would keep up just fine
Hurricane could ‘theoretically’ be a jet in later versions… Just saying…
Su-30’s also tested and used r-27ea’s from what I’ve read but they most likely use the EM variant as the EA were much more limited in quantity
Show me some R-27ER goodness, boys:
You’ve chosen to grind and use a squadron vehicle. Make it work.
To my knowledge the R-27EM was never carried or tested, only modified off of the R-27EA mere weeks before funding was dropped and the R-77 was deemed the prevailing design.
Much like the K-74ME, it was built from a missile that did indeed receive testing, but simply added minor upgrades. It never had the time nor funding to go through with trials.
They did quite literally made a su-33 with Fox-3 capabilities and tested it, but that was one prototype, Russia used r-27EA’s on the su-33’s because the radar systems could work with the EA’s unlike the R-77’s
I mean if you are able to see the picture you can see that they are carrying R-27EA/EM. (Edit: one of the pictures shows both the ER and the EA being used on the plane)
Also No that’s not true multiple aircraft were able to carry the R-27EA’s The MiG-29 and Su-27 could both carry it as well as the Su-33
Tbf with how bad R-77s are… it wouldn’t make a difference.
The Su-27sm, Mig-29smt, and Su-34 really shouldn’t be 13.7, and instead 13.3 for sim / rb due to their “best” (not) aam performance.
So far playing the F-15E I’ve died I think 5 times? 4 of which were Rafael / euro fighters, and the last was 2x MiG-29smts firing R-73s at me.
So I haven’t died yet to an R-77
The su27sm is really good at 13.7 since it was double buffed (engine/flight model) and the r77 isn’t bad it just doesn’t have the range of the aim120, but within visual range it’s definitely superior as it has a 15g higher overload and comparable speed/acceleration. For longer ranges or rear aspect shots the r27er is still really dangerous and you can make it work well if you bring two. I would love the r27ea to be added but it never ended service and was abandoned (not like that matter though look at the SRAAM) it would also be the best arh missile by a country mile I doubt we’ll see it until the aim120c
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My guy, the R-27EA has yet to be used in service. Just because a protective cone on top of the nose of a missile resembles that of the angular scheme of the R-27EA’s dome doesn’t mean its a R-27EA…
I cannot say I agree. R-77 is far outweighed by the SpamRaam.
R27ers seem to be rather lacking luster now adays. The only time I’ve hit one recently was when a F-15 flew straight and didn’t chaff.
I mean do you have both because I do, the r77 isn’t bad and r27ers are maybe a little slower but data link still allows you to relock reliability.
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I have every vehicle for Russia, and just got the F-15E, the F-15E is leagues better in game, due to how good the Aim-120 is.
The hit record of my Aim-9m / 120 is far greater than my R-73s or R-77s
Those are not protective covers, those are missiles being used in testing hence why they have red cones some are painted full red, the R-27EA hasn’t seen active combat but has been used in service and is still in service today, unfortunately it’s not widely used due to the cost compared to the Cheaper R-77’s
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must just be placebo the aim120 isn’t a super missile it can easily be defeated it just has the longest range of any medium range arh, again within visual range (~8 miles) the r77 will pull more Gs and has a far superior off boresight capacity. Honestly I feel like the r73 has a better range then the aim9m since they fixed thrust vectoring (although I definitely prefer gatesight irrcm) not to mention off boresight lol. I’ve gotten a lot more 6-8 kill games in the su27sm than the f15e if which I’ve only gotten 5 kills lol. Also it reminds me of the argument of the aim7m vs r27er.
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Before the advent of the ARH aams for Russia, I would typically launch a R27ER upwards of 10-16 miles and it would usually land unless evasive maneuvers had been taken.
Now ? They just seem borderline useless.
R-77s only seem to hit sub 8 mile distance. Only problem is as you said, the Aim-120 will out range it.
Thus, if anyone with Aim-120s has a functioning brain, they will just evade a BVR fight.
Even in WVR someone flying radar off, engaging with Aim-9m (in sim especially) can be quite dangerous.
I have different experiences with the r27er, at say 30,000 feet I can hit 20+ mile shots if they’re braindead or just don’t notch right, but at lower alts I usually launch 16 max, 12 will easily hit. And yeah I wouldn’t launch an r77 past 12 miles since the r27er will get there a lot faster. I also launch r73s and hit consistently now at 3 miles.
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I usually sit at 3800 meters if long ranging (12 mile+) with the R27s
If close ranging, I’ll stay at about 1800 meters.
Strangely, I’ve had circumstances of launching R-27ers first, and holding the lock… and it says it hasn’t reached the target yet… but then a magical Aim-120 kills me, that was launched after my R-27ER