Because it’s funnier to slam someone with a missile from 5km away when they can’t do anything about it? CAS doesn’t require skill, but hey, might as well play with the least amount of skill if you want to smack someone. Work smarter, not harder.
Su-27SM, F-18 [barely], Rafale, and Typhoon… that’s not many, that’s 4.
Soon to be J-11B, but that’s 5.
No, only the upgraded Su-25s gets it
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Using the Kh-25ML and Kh-29L is actually harder with the base Su-25 because Klen-PS is only a laser designator. Flinging S-25O with CCIP is more brain dead
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Huh, I must be mistaken then. I’m probably thinking of the Su-25T then
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last I checked the F15A, F16A, su27sm, rafale, typhoon, all beat the gripen now adays.
I think even the mirages beat them quite readily, hence why so many people use them in the dogfights.
The J10A also beats the gripen easily.
Whyd you leave out the F16A and F15A? as well as that, the F15C and 16C both beat the gripen in every single aspect bar AoA, which Again i stated, in teh current meta at top tier.
The 16C, 15C, 15E, Ef2000, Rafale, su27SM, J10 and mirage all beat the gripen to the punch.
Yeah thay’s why br for br, A-10A is actually better because it gets Mavs (so better stand off ranges) and iirc 2 double racks of 9Ls?
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The TT A10 gets 4 x 9L yeah, however it is far slower than the Su25 (200kpmh)
but yeah teh A10 is also great due to the agms, and GBUs as well if u cant spawn with the mavs
F-15 gets its tail handed to it by Gripen, and Gripen still out-dogfights F-16A unless the F-16A gets fuel advantage.
Dealing with people who regurgitate the whole “Grippen OP” thing is a bit frustrating, since you know they are parroting what some obscure YouTuber (or TikToker) said. It reminds me when I talked bad about the Tor, and I was suddenly harassed by many about how I have a “skill issue” and that the Tor is “literally the second best SPAA after the Pantsir,” with their reasonings being… copy-pasted by the Wiki.
“You can literally lock onto two planes at once, bruh!” which is sound, except for the tiny problem of… you have to be in formation to get two locks. I don’t know about you, but no one flies in formation in Pubs… well, except for that weird guy who plays Nightcore music while rocketing people in a Ka-50 with his friend. You have probably seen the videos on Facebook or whatever.
Anyways, unfortunately we will always run into those people that will scream “skill issue” if we mention anything that goes against some personality’s opinion. The best part is when you look at their card, and they’ve never once played that plane/tank, much less ever played in that BR, but will still swear up and down YOU are the problem.
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again, the F16A can maintain its energy far better than the gripen can, also those charts as far as i can see actually show that in the top line that the F16 can maintain the harder turn for longer than a gripen can.
the gripen trumps it in AoA sure, but as far as sustained dogfights got the 16A will beat a gripen almost every time.
Genuinely it does not at all, ive hundreds of games in both planes, the F15A does not get its “tail handed to it” by the gripen unless you try bounce into an instant turn fight, the F15A has far better thrust and sustained rates than the Gripen.
Thats like saying an F5C loses in a turn fight with a mig21, well yeah dont turn fight it.
Edit: as well I stated in the current meta, unless your trying to turn fight the gripen is objectively worse than every plane I listed bar the 16A and 15A due to the lack of ARH missiles.
Read alvis arguing that the “F15A gets its tail handed to it by the gripen” which it clearly doesn’t at all.
The F16A also is comparable dogfight wise to the gripen completely ignoring the fact ive stated multiple times in AoA the gripen will win, but in any other aspect, sustained, or in the long run aka out pacing the gripen loses, massively.
That happens quite a bit on here unfortunately.
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Well of course the F-15 gets beaten by the Grippen… if we are talking about turn fighting. Usually by the time a Grippen and a F-15 see each other, the F-15 is sending all of its missiles at the Grippen. The only time I’ve beaten F-15s in Pubs is when I get the drop on it. Otherwise it’s twenty some missiles to the face, wings, back, and even below me.
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“F-16A pilots are more skilled in maintaining energy.” Okay, what does that have to do with the airframe?
The Gripen has superior sustained turn rate to the F-15A.
Let’s bring 5.5 minutes of fuel for each aircraft rounded down.
2900 419/m 2304, 79%. - J-10A.
3305 480/m 2640, 79% - F-16A.
2340 278/m 1529, 65% - Gripen.
5240 F-15. 845/m - 4647, 88% - F-15A.
Whoo, look at that fuel normalized mess of 4 aircraft.
At higher speeds Gripen falls off, of everything except F-16A.
J-10A is the closest, and F-15A gains sustained the faster it goes.
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And the Gripen is sending its AMRAAMs back.
Unless you’re talking about the 13.0 F-15 and Gripen, which both don’t have AMRAAMs.
Go see who has the better BVR, then come back to me. Also, Sweden gets a max of 4 RB99s, how many AIM 120s does the F-15 get?
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I’m aware that the 13.7 F-15s didn’t go up with its equals at 14.0 and is currently OP.
Either way my points stand.
Gripen is a fine aircraft, one of the best aircraft. Not OP, not sub-par.
It’s good in an extremely niche way that isn’t really available in Pubs. This game favours missile spamming noobs, which makes a lot of sense when you realise this game caters to American mains (of which their aircrafts are so dreadful, they rely on hurling AMRAAMs at jets from the 1960s to pad their KD ratio).
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I don’t main USA. Actually I’ve only just gotten into their early jets.
Saying “dogfighting jet” is quite misleading since it is still one of the fastest (faster than F-15A at low alt), was easily the most maneuverable, and had arguably the best loadout with 6x 9Ms (the best missile then) and +640 CMs. Radar missiles were useless against it since not only could you bring endless chaff but multipathing was set at 100m.
F-16AJ is a Block 10 and tied for the lightest F-16 in the game.
It is faster.
And the Gripen had far more thanks to full effectiveness BOL pods which made it nigh invulnerable to 99% of missiles for most of the match.
Last i checked was heavier than the adf? With only the C and some of the isreali ones being heavier.
Seeing as theres a plethora of f16s in italy and such.
But maybe im miss remembering.
The gripen is faster than what? Its not faster than the F16s, or the f15s at all. Nor the su27s.
It also is severely lacking acceleration in comparisson to those jets as well.
700 cms and 120cms is a huge difference but to act like the american jets like the 15 and 16 were struggling for CMs is and was ridiculous.
As ive said the gripen was a baby plane at release, it is still easy to fly.
However after the nerfs, which went too far in the other direction it is not a top contender, especially not kow.
All Block 10s, AJ included, are 7570kg empty.
Block 15s (ADF) are all 7850kg empty, even the AM with MAWS.
Block 20 (MLU) is 7870kg empty.
F-16C Block 40 is 8860kg.
F-16C Block 50 is 9031kg.
And finally, the F-16D Block 40 is 9018kg. Despite being a 2 seater, carrying slightly less fuel means its not that heavy.
You were talking about the F-15A specifically.
The difference is that the F-15 and 16 had to maintain awareness because they couldn’t just turn on periodic countermeasures. The Gripen with 720 CMs could do just that, and the skill floor needed to use it was incredibly low.
Yes, this is about release state Gripen.
It was objectively, undeniably broken on release and shouldn’t have been added when it was.
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