Yeah, I remember. However when I’ve made my case about how the A-10 should be 11.0 (since that’s where most jets start getting all-aspects like the MiG 21bis, Sea Harriers, etc.), I was met with scrutiny. “Buh buh the A-10 is too slow for 11.0!” “You just have a skill issue, just cue insane rambling that he parroted from YouTube” and a bunch more lame excuses. Instead of compressing a bunch of jets that don’t belong together (I guess it’s sorta historically accurate), we could’ve moved the problem up into a tier where it does belong. However, I can see why they cried: they enjoy seal clubbing.
Yeah, we still have the OTOMATIC at 11.7 for some odd reason, despite it being one of the worst SPAAs (I enjoy it for close ranges with proxies, but not everyone is “smart” enough to strafe run in the open. Most players prefer hurling AGMs from the neighbouring galaxy).
I was irritated when that happened, it was the only way I was spading my Swedish aircrafts. I had the Grippen at that point, but still. After that nerf, I just gave up on spading my mid tier jets. Kind of irritating since I wanted to actually completely spade everything, but I also don’t want to go back.
But I think those rocket bases were there since the beginning. You have to remember, when they implemented napalm and bases, napalm was considered the worst way to destroy a base. I believe it was rockets, bombs, and then napalm that was the best to worst way to destroy bases.
How do you determine who’s “good” and who’s “mid” at the game? Their ability to make a YouTube video? Trust me, I’ve seen some of the YouTube videos that will hype up a mediocre plane, and will say you have a skill issue if you don’t worship it (looking at you, SAAB J35X)
Wow, they can sling a missile real well. Obviously they must be a good player if they abuse the meta.
I value actual skills: 1v1 Tournament style. Anything else is just meta abusing strats.
Exactly, which is what the tournament players are usually good at, most of the tournament players I spoke to all said that the Gripen was dominant for quite a while.
It’s the same with the Strv 122 on the ground. So many players say it wasn’t dominating and that it’s balanced, but when you look them up you just find out that it’s a player issue.
Genuinely the gripen, since it loses a lot of speed, plague of a delta, and its acceleration got nerfed ages ago, it struggles IMO at top tier in pubs, (not saying it should go down BTW not one of thoes gripen suffers folks). However, it really had its 15 minutes of fame and got shelved rapid style, the F16C will out do a gripen in practice as it carries more missiles, has a better radar as far as im aware and can retain its speed far, far better.
exactly my point, ive beaten F16A’s with the mirage 2000C S4 but thats purely due to the fact I had the drop on them and out played them with positioning, IF that was in a 1v1 situation, theres no chance ill beat the guy if he plays it for energy.
Genuinely man the A10s and su25s are already slow at their Brs, the evev 9.3s can hit mach one which neither of them can, so the slow argument is out the window.
They literally folded what, 4 Br brackets? 10.0 > 9.3/9.0> 8.3 > 8.0 > 7.0 roughly 4 brackets stomped down cause idiots buy them. Hell the su25 was introduced at 9.7 xD
Genuinely no idea why the otomatic is the BR it is, not even as if ti can be used as a TD as it gets a whole ass twelve darts xD I want it for the fun of it as i find it incredibly unique but it is a 10.3 spaa at best. (considering we have the oso at that BR).
You did not say that, at all.
You said the gripen still is dominant due to how it works in the tournaments against the F16C
Which i already pointed out, that pre nerf the gripen was a baby plane UFO as well as stomped literally everything. Post nerf it genuinely struggles with an F16C that is played right due to the acceleration, or lack thereof.
depends for air most my planes are positive (F8U2 was my first 10.0 back in the day so dunno if it is)
But id generally say now adays the gripens got the short end of the stick, like I said, in a 14.0 match id much rather use my F15A over the Gripen, it just lacks the damn power to keep up, excusing the Rdarters (i have british grip) the actual plane itself just feels so sluggish compared to the other jets around it.
Lets not even touch the EF2000 sitting at 14.0 while the ice and such are 13.0 xD
It isnt a UFO at all now adays man, it had good AoA but almost all deltas do, its acceleration leaves it sitting in a horrible position, unless someones stupid enough to try and turn fight you, which as we stated above many times, it still is good at.
That is it, it loses too much speed for how much it ragains to be effective in most situations outwith a 1v1.
The fact I can beat gripens with the 16AJ now adays, speaks volumes about how its FM is significantly under performing. (as per the countless bug reports that were mentioned further above it uses the wrong FM as well as has lower thrust than it should)
also when did you even last use the gripen? youve got 62 matches in it, ive nearly 300 in it, about 100 from when the damn ARH patch came. and have watched it change quite a lot since it released.
this is incorrect they have an incorrect fuel weight as such they need to run less fuel in game than SU-27 footage shows for the same maneuver see the SU-27 hud footage vs the recreation in-game, this is likely because the su-27 uses ‘over fuel’ and ‘standard fuel’ and their just calculating the weight wrong because of it since half fuel could mean 50% full or 25% full depending if its standard or over
Right now Su-27s slightly out-perform F-15s, and Su-27SM even gives F-16C a loss streak.
I highly doubt Su-27s are Rafale equivalent as your posts are implying.
Leopards in general are dominant on ground. Personally not a fan of the Stridsvagn 122s because of the dreadful thermals (I personally use the CV120 over the Stridsvagn), but I digress. It’s all dependent on how you play. I would rather use the Hungarian Leopard 2A7, but that’s also because I can equip the Centauro 120 with it in a lineup.
did some gamer ego check you in the su-27 or something? its FM is largely accurate to real life footage at airshows and hud footage its fuel weight is just incorrect which doesn’t exactly effect it until its low fuel already basically its full weight is correct but its empty weight isn’t
I’m fully aware it is not that good in Pubs, but what makes it good is 1v1s, where most American players are so confident in their missile abusing strats, they forget one teeny thing: they’re within 5km, not really enough time to lock and spam multiple missiles.
Plus, I do unlimited fuel and ammo, which means I’m not running 20-30 minutes of fuel, afterburning my way to the front lines. Minimum fuel means maximum manoeuvrability. Something that BVR enjoyers cannot comprehend.
It honestly feels like I’m a final boss when I do 1v1s, just because my friends will be like, “noooo, not the Grippen” when they see the flags change to Sweden.
Although, I’m pretty sure the Su-25 came out with only dumbbombs and rockets when it first came out at 9.7, it didn’t have the funny AGMs that it now has. So honestly, that is understandable to why it was that low when the game’s max BR was like 10.0, although it certainly belongs around 11.0 now.
Precisely man, like you said outwith the 1v1 area the gripen falls on its arse now adays, its still decent, but theres many, many planes that surpass it.
I got each of my planes figured out, to the point where i usually take about 16 mins of fuel and a tank, so for f16 i drop it about 10km away, and by the time the distance has closed im at an optimal fuel weight for both sustained fighting and dogfighting.
not like im arriving with 3 mins left and scared to afterburn.
Gripen the same idea just different fuel counts.
and if i cant take a fuel tank E.G for the F14A and IRIAF, i take about 44 minutes and burn it off so im at about 18 for when people are merging etc. a lot of folks cry planes cnat dogfight but then have like 30 mins fuel going into the merge xD
yeah the S250s are nice af though to be fair.
The 10.3 doesnt get the KH29Ts does it? only the damn laser guided ones?
Ive got the event su25 so ive got the big ol ATGMs with the S250s along side it
Because it’s funnier to slam someone with a missile from 5km away when they can’t do anything about it? CAS doesn’t require skill, but hey, might as well play with the least amount of skill if you want to smack someone. Work smarter, not harder.
Using the Kh-25ML and Kh-29L is actually harder with the base Su-25 because Klen-PS is only a laser designator. Flinging S-25O with CCIP is more brain dead
