I mean, I still believe it’s still fine, but I also just do 1v1s in Customs with it, so I’m a bit sheltered from Pubs. Although, I did think I was crazy for believing it was a bit sluggish, but it never stopped my friends from being absolutely terrified when they see the Swedish flag in the menu.
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In tournaments the Gripen still hard dominated the F-16C though, I mean there is a reason why you pretty much never see an F-16C in most of these tournaments.
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@GALWAYLION
It’s interesting that you’re calling Mikoyan liars.
Mig-29s carried R-60s, they are a historical loadout.
And Mig-29s have been primarily compared to F-16s.
I used to love seeing it in the 16aj and 14a before the ARH update.
Even after which the south african gripen is absolutely dead weight man, id rather use my 13.0 f15a in a 14.0 match than the 13.7 gripen.
The issue is its Ahistorical now, they used the prototype FM as was stated above and wont bring it up to the C standard even when its been proven in bug reports.
They introduced it as if it was a UFO and left it as if its a slab compared to what a gripen should be.
Seriously the gripen in todays meta is just another meh plane, it went from being a baby plane, to being shelved pretty hard.
Tournaments as in 1v1 gun fighting?
The reason you dont see the F16C is its heavier than the 16A , and is worse than the F15A and i believe E, but is slightly better than the 15C.
And what tournaments , when? Before or after it was shifted to an early fm before the Jas39A was even in service ?
The 16C in an actual match slaughters the gripen day in day out.
The gripen cannot retain any energy nor can it build it up effectively now.
Meanwhile youve got the F15E that is still able to compete with the ef2000 and rafale
(I really think it was too early for the ef2000 and rafale with the brs how they are.)
Yeah, but go figure the American mains would cry for any and everything to be nerfed. I’m surprised the Pantsir survived so long as a top SPAA
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Because its literally one of the only counters against US CAS.
While it is pretty good, US mains have a bad habit of headbutting missiles so
Just a caveat here, i dont want one nation above another, but the amount of people at top tier for jets that just want their nation to succeed is ridiculous…
Funny isnt it, all the german mains who wanted a top tier capable jet havent said much about how the EF2000 is absolutely kerb stomping lobbies. But were quick to point the finger at others.
(Quite rightly the F4F ICE was pretty silly to add as competition to the F15C), now itll be another plane takes top tier.
Not gonna lie man, id rather see a few updates that are just bug fixes ,br fixes aka decompression and qol.
Theyre ramming in newer, and newer planes without touching ones from even 2 updates ago.
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I loathe German mains, but honestly, the Eurofighter dominating is okay with me because that’s the only good plane they really have at top tier. I dabbled in German air, and it was honestly very… underwhelming. Plus, what does Germany get for top tier air in the first place?
F4 (wow, so amazing… not)
MiG 29 (would be great if it wasn’t nerfed every update)
Tornado (enough said)
The other Tornado (yeah, AIM 9Ls and dumb bombs, what is this, 11.0?)
So yeah, I’ll let them have the Eurofighter. I’d just prefer not to fight the thousand Leopards that plagues GRB.
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4v4
Yeah as i said with the ef2000, for all nations it really should be a higher BR, the f4f ice my only gripe is it went to 13.3 while the tornado f3 late stayed at 13.3? Neither should go down in fairness but why one and not the other when they both perform really badly against the 15s 16s gripems etc etc
Map layouts, distances, effective ranges ? 4v4 sounds like its gonna descend into 1v1s in seperate areas.
And you didnt adress my other points, as in the gripen pre nerf or post nerf to a prototype air frames numbers ?
Realistically the gripen should beat an f16C, however even now an f16C will kerb stomp a gripen in every domain bar 1v1 dog fighting
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They are live streamed. With the F-15E, EFT and Rafale still being excluded from them. You pretty much only see Gripens and Mirage 2ks for the close range fighters (some rare J-10s) with mostly F-15s as support.
And timeframe? Just look at any of the tournaments ever since the Gripen released. Just look at the recent thundercup tournament.
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It’s Gaijin, God knows what goes through their heads. In my personal opinion, I would like to see a cut off around certain BRs so then some aviation isn’t being uptiered into certain oblivion (looking at you 9.3 with no flares constantly fighting A-10s with AIM 9Ls). But I digress.
Unfortunately this game has a bad tendency to “keep moving forward” and ignore all the rot that happens due to their ignorance. They come back, but it’s the equivalent to ignoring a basic infection until it’s time to amputate. They ignore unbalanced mechanics that came in with a major update, just to fix something that was complained about (exaggeration here) six years ago (the rocket bases nerf for example).
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So just went and had a watch
The tournaments are absolutely no metric to judge from it essentially just drops into extremely cut throat dog fighting.
Not many folks even attempt BVR, in which case i said the f16C isnt as good as gripen as its heavier.
However lets judge them by their actual in game competitiveness in the 16v16 lobbies.
The gripens ability to dogfight goes out the window completely as you cant just single out one person.
As well as this if we use tournaments to judge the planes and not their overall performance in the actual game the BRs woukd be all over the place
Edit: the 16A btw still out dogfights most of the roster and outwith the rafale and ef2000 i think its either the best or second best
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Those 9.3s used to be 10.0s before the damn a10 and su25 ruined the bracket, genuinely believe they should be moved up, it caused soo much compression now with the F saber seeing 7.0 again
checks insurmountable list of bug reports yeah that checks out man, ive played for anout 5 or 6 years, and its a shame, so many tanks and planes half baked and left.
With accepted bug reports.
The rocket running on bases was wild to me and im glad it got fixed but yeah how long was that actually a thing
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Just to add onto your debate about the F-16C.
You are right, that tournaments should not dictate BRs. Pubs and the doctrine behind it favour “Boom and Zoom” tactics. Best way to survive in Pubs is attempt to eliminate someone, if you cannot get him in the first shot, move up and out. Never focus on one guy. Top tier, mid tier, low tier, you gotta keep moving.
The other doctrine that is specifically only top tier is missile spamming (which requires no skill). The Grippen is not blessed with a loadout where you can spam umpteen AIM 120s and wipe out half the enemy team before anyone actually sees each other. The best thing the Grippen gets is the ability to turn real well, and has over six hundred flares to annoy people with. Granted it means absolutely nothing when you get slammed by five AIM 120s.
Tournaments is heavily based on the players and their skill. I’ve defeated top tiers in a biplane in guns only because I have a bit more skill. You cannot do that in Pubs because the doctrines are different. The Grippens excell in 1v1s because you’re focused on that one guy, you can use your manoeuvrability and flares to your advantage because it’s just you and him. Simple as.
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Yeah, I remember. However when I’ve made my case about how the A-10 should be 11.0 (since that’s where most jets start getting all-aspects like the MiG 21bis, Sea Harriers, etc.), I was met with scrutiny. “Buh buh the A-10 is too slow for 11.0!” “You just have a skill issue, just cue insane rambling that he parroted from YouTube” and a bunch more lame excuses. Instead of compressing a bunch of jets that don’t belong together (I guess it’s sorta historically accurate), we could’ve moved the problem up into a tier where it does belong. However, I can see why they cried: they enjoy seal clubbing.
Yeah, we still have the OTOMATIC at 11.7 for some odd reason, despite it being one of the worst SPAAs (I enjoy it for close ranges with proxies, but not everyone is “smart” enough to strafe run in the open. Most players prefer hurling AGMs from the neighbouring galaxy).
I was irritated when that happened, it was the only way I was spading my Swedish aircrafts. I had the Grippen at that point, but still. After that nerf, I just gave up on spading my mid tier jets. Kind of irritating since I wanted to actually completely spade everything, but I also don’t want to go back.
But I think those rocket bases were there since the beginning. You have to remember, when they implemented napalm and bases, napalm was considered the worst way to destroy a base. I believe it was rockets, bombs, and then napalm that was the best to worst way to destroy bases.
My point was mainly that it’s the good players that say that the Gripen dominated for quite a while, meanwhile the mid players say it didn’t dominate.
Just a funny observation.
How do you determine who’s “good” and who’s “mid” at the game? Their ability to make a YouTube video? Trust me, I’ve seen some of the YouTube videos that will hype up a mediocre plane, and will say you have a skill issue if you don’t worship it (looking at you, SAAB J35X)
I mean, stats is an easy answer. Usually covers 70-80% of the question of “Is this a good player?” question.