Su-30SM Nerfed

Sooo on the dev server 30sm and iirc the EF aswell just recieved a feature which shows them the type of target being locked in both TWS and STT, wasnt able to properly test it yet, but seems like it should be able to differentiate between a misslie and an actual plane. Again, even in TWS. Which is god-tier on this thing. Doesnt do anything in GMTI though (doesnt show anything at all, cant tell apart SPAA and a warship I guess).

Edit: it also seems to have lost the NCTR on radar’s MFD in cockpit? The “Legeng” that had plane names is no longer there, but numbers (94,95…) near the contact are still present. Who knows, might be intentional, might be a bug. GMTI mode has been acting up severely on this dev build.

“Using a dogfighting jet to dogfight is cheating!”
My goodness, you American mains really are something. God forbid any other nation besides America gets something good. What’s next? Using a 88mm cannon at 5.7 is cheating since America only gets a 76mm?

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Sorry what?

The gripen once it got nerfed long before Ef2000 and rafale were even anounced was towed way back in line.

Gripen at release was bonkers no argument there, but to act as if it was still some meta plane is just laughable, after its FM nerfs, acceleration nerfs and its retention, nerf it became substantially worse as a platform.

Hell i could beat the gripen in the F16AJ in a dogfight and its literally one of rhe heavier f16s.

Lets not even talk about when. ARH missiles were added and suddenly the f16C and F15C became the single best planes in game.

F16C has vbeen one of the top contenders in the game since its release.

While originally the 9g aoa limit was daft it was removed long ago.

You do realise the MiG 29s have been compared to, and out manoeuvred F-18s, right? You also do realise the MiG 29 has never carried R-60 missiles, right?

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Seeing as the F15A could keep up with the gripen as well in most aspects and out do it all you really had to do was not get into a turn fight with the grip.

People just wanted to cry, 15A had 120cms, was faster, fantastic fm (when wing rips were fixed)
4x 9m, 4x 7M and could literally beat the gripen everywhere bar the instantaneous turning.

Like i got gripen after the nerfs and could not figure out why people still hated it so much.

Meanwhile F15A sat at 12.3 while the rest even su27 and j11 at 12.7 then 13.0 etc etc

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I mean, I still believe it’s still fine, but I also just do 1v1s in Customs with it, so I’m a bit sheltered from Pubs. Although, I did think I was crazy for believing it was a bit sluggish, but it never stopped my friends from being absolutely terrified when they see the Swedish flag in the menu.

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In tournaments the Gripen still hard dominated the F-16C though, I mean there is a reason why you pretty much never see an F-16C in most of these tournaments.

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@GALWAYLION
It’s interesting that you’re calling Mikoyan liars.
Mig-29s carried R-60s, they are a historical loadout.

And Mig-29s have been primarily compared to F-16s.

I used to love seeing it in the 16aj and 14a before the ARH update.

Even after which the south african gripen is absolutely dead weight man, id rather use my 13.0 f15a in a 14.0 match than the 13.7 gripen.

The issue is its Ahistorical now, they used the prototype FM as was stated above and wont bring it up to the C standard even when its been proven in bug reports.

They introduced it as if it was a UFO and left it as if its a slab compared to what a gripen should be.

Seriously the gripen in todays meta is just another meh plane, it went from being a baby plane, to being shelved pretty hard.

Tournaments as in 1v1 gun fighting?

The reason you dont see the F16C is its heavier than the 16A , and is worse than the F15A and i believe E, but is slightly better than the 15C.

And what tournaments , when? Before or after it was shifted to an early fm before the Jas39A was even in service ?

The 16C in an actual match slaughters the gripen day in day out.

The gripen cannot retain any energy nor can it build it up effectively now.

Meanwhile youve got the F15E that is still able to compete with the ef2000 and rafale
(I really think it was too early for the ef2000 and rafale with the brs how they are.)

Yeah, but go figure the American mains would cry for any and everything to be nerfed. I’m surprised the Pantsir survived so long as a top SPAA

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Because its literally one of the only counters against US CAS.

While it is pretty good, US mains have a bad habit of headbutting missiles so

Just a caveat here, i dont want one nation above another, but the amount of people at top tier for jets that just want their nation to succeed is ridiculous…

Funny isnt it, all the german mains who wanted a top tier capable jet havent said much about how the EF2000 is absolutely kerb stomping lobbies. But were quick to point the finger at others.

(Quite rightly the F4F ICE was pretty silly to add as competition to the F15C), now itll be another plane takes top tier.

Not gonna lie man, id rather see a few updates that are just bug fixes ,br fixes aka decompression and qol.

Theyre ramming in newer, and newer planes without touching ones from even 2 updates ago.

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I loathe German mains, but honestly, the Eurofighter dominating is okay with me because that’s the only good plane they really have at top tier. I dabbled in German air, and it was honestly very… underwhelming. Plus, what does Germany get for top tier air in the first place?
F4 (wow, so amazing… not)
MiG 29 (would be great if it wasn’t nerfed every update)
Tornado (enough said)
The other Tornado (yeah, AIM 9Ls and dumb bombs, what is this, 11.0?)

So yeah, I’ll let them have the Eurofighter. I’d just prefer not to fight the thousand Leopards that plagues GRB.

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4v4

Yeah as i said with the ef2000, for all nations it really should be a higher BR, the f4f ice my only gripe is it went to 13.3 while the tornado f3 late stayed at 13.3? Neither should go down in fairness but why one and not the other when they both perform really badly against the 15s 16s gripems etc etc

Map layouts, distances, effective ranges ? 4v4 sounds like its gonna descend into 1v1s in seperate areas.

And you didnt adress my other points, as in the gripen pre nerf or post nerf to a prototype air frames numbers ?
Realistically the gripen should beat an f16C, however even now an f16C will kerb stomp a gripen in every domain bar 1v1 dog fighting

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They are live streamed. With the F-15E, EFT and Rafale still being excluded from them. You pretty much only see Gripens and Mirage 2ks for the close range fighters (some rare J-10s) with mostly F-15s as support.

And timeframe? Just look at any of the tournaments ever since the Gripen released. Just look at the recent thundercup tournament.

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It’s Gaijin, God knows what goes through their heads. In my personal opinion, I would like to see a cut off around certain BRs so then some aviation isn’t being uptiered into certain oblivion (looking at you 9.3 with no flares constantly fighting A-10s with AIM 9Ls). But I digress.

Unfortunately this game has a bad tendency to “keep moving forward” and ignore all the rot that happens due to their ignorance. They come back, but it’s the equivalent to ignoring a basic infection until it’s time to amputate. They ignore unbalanced mechanics that came in with a major update, just to fix something that was complained about (exaggeration here) six years ago (the rocket bases nerf for example).

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So just went and had a watch
The tournaments are absolutely no metric to judge from it essentially just drops into extremely cut throat dog fighting.

Not many folks even attempt BVR, in which case i said the f16C isnt as good as gripen as its heavier.

However lets judge them by their actual in game competitiveness in the 16v16 lobbies.

The gripens ability to dogfight goes out the window completely as you cant just single out one person.

As well as this if we use tournaments to judge the planes and not their overall performance in the actual game the BRs woukd be all over the place

Edit: the 16A btw still out dogfights most of the roster and outwith the rafale and ef2000 i think its either the best or second best

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Those 9.3s used to be 10.0s before the damn a10 and su25 ruined the bracket, genuinely believe they should be moved up, it caused soo much compression now with the F saber seeing 7.0 again

checks insurmountable list of bug reports yeah that checks out man, ive played for anout 5 or 6 years, and its a shame, so many tanks and planes half baked and left.
With accepted bug reports.

The rocket running on bases was wild to me and im glad it got fixed but yeah how long was that actually a thing

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