no.
Let me elaborate, the SU27 has been one of my favorite vehicles since its launch, and facing phantoms in this thing is already way too generous. Even in full uptiers to 14.0 this thing still has amazing single target performance with the R27ER and the current (will change eventually) one of a kind 27ET which is still maybe one of the best missiles in the game as without a MAW system it is almost undetectable once the booster faze is complete, and even then its still a challenge to flare from the side/behind on short notice. I have over a 2.0k/d in the thing and I don’t think that’s changing any time soon. This thing should not be put at the same BR as something like the F16ADF as their performances are incomparable. Its already better than most of 13.0 vehicles, like the Mirage 4000, Gripen A, F15A, Mig29G, AV-8B etc. The only 13.0 I personally enjoy more than this thing is the J-8F but that’s not because I think its better by any means. I honestly think this thing could still be 13.3 and I’d enjoy it as its just that good.
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i’d second this in exchange of armament reduction, just as i proposed f-18c late to be 12.7 with two aim7m and four aim9l, su27 could be 12.7 too with two r27er and two r73s. Still, I believe that if there was not a single missile and jets engaged in gun combat only like f86f-2 vs MiG17 the game would be balanced, fun and unique unlike those other games that have jets that also do include missiles.
What is this guy yapping about
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Except for the tomcats
Bad Idea.
Don’t artificially kill the loadout because you hate it.
Nobody will play it over F/A-18A and 18C(Early)
First, look up.
Secondly, you are coping hard if we consider MiG-29 in 12.7 has no IRCCM missile but is stuck with R-60M.
or F-14A with AIM-9H.
Lastly. Stop necroposting dead posts.
You changed your target from F-5C to Su-27?
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I’m so sorry I happen to arrive late to the party and grind for planes that look cool and as it is an unwritten rule of this game: nearly everything that looks cool is absolutely dog water. J7W? Cool, objectively bad. F7F? same thing. Yak-28? Same. FG1? IMO the most badass looking phantom in game, it also happens to be slightly less doodoo than the F-4Junk. Sea Fury? oh god please don’t, yes I know it outturns fockewulf 190 Antons but these literally have better acceleration and an air spawn. I’ve spaded the yak 41 without yall noticing and had no complaints whatsoever about either the airframe, the radar or the missiles. It was competent with or without missiles, stock or spaded even against the constant uptiers I had into the 13.7 hellhole. And it would probably still do good at 13.0-14.0 because the airframe is absolutely cracked even without VTOL, it literally has the highest thrust weight ratio of any jet in the game below 1km of altitude, only surpassed by the F-15E Strike Eagle which starts to get twr advantage past 1km of altitude.
Su27 is a one trick pony at this moment most of the time because apparently everyone flew during storm and through 30k feet tall cummulonimbus cells to do air combat, so it’s the radar missile slinging frickfest. It is goated at that ,but then you have the R73s that don’t like tracking, that will get flared by randon missiles coming close while locking onto the target’s ahh barely 1km away from striking (while magic 2s magically strike you despite cutting burner, flaring and turning onto them to hide your heat signature.
MiG29s also deserve a BR change. Or even better; rework the objectively surreal flight models of the Su27, MiG29 and other underwhelming aircraft that rely only on their missile kit to do something.
stop necroposting
Man, the mods literally told me to come here because this topic was still relevant.
Why would you artificially nerf and kill one of the better 13.0 planes? Why not advocate for BR decompression and get 13.0 decompressed so it doesn’t face 13.7/14.0 all the time?
Not really.
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Tornado F3 at about 9.0 would be kind of fun :D
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Balanced?
You would either
A) maky any airframe thats not a competetive dogfighter absolutely unplayable
B) move their BRs around, which would result in some funny balancing decisions.
Fun?
sure as long as you are sitting in the meta dogfighting airframe. Sucks to play anything else tho.
unique?
kinda like modern jets are meant to operate with the missiles; nevertheless, you also have games where you have modern jets that have to rely mostly on their guns to get kills - modern Battlefields comes to mind instantly because there your main killing power comes from aircrafts guns, not missiles, due to how countermeasures work there.
So it certainly wouldnt be unique.
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Is this still active, have players not seen how a Su-27 at 13.0 with 10 missiles can just carry the whole game?
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