Su-11 and Wyvern immoral premiums at low br

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Wyvern I think is fine. Definetly not 6.0 material. At best maybe 4.7. Like many, many aircraft. It probably just needs to loose air spawn. That makes a far more signifcant difference than you’d think.

A2D-1 is the better part of 200 kph faster, smaller turn time, better climb rate and has a much larger bomb load and even a Radar, There is a reason why its a much higher BR (though that being said, I can see it getting a small BR reduction for Air modes with split BRs)

Maybe try not dogfighting the Wyvern then. You should have a smaller turn radius, but perhaps favour hit and run tactics. The same you would fight anything else British at that BR, like a Spitfire.

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Wyvern’s engine is the most fragile in the game.
Which led to its dropping BRs to begin with.

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There is that too. Likes cooking itself right?

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More that 1 7.7mm round reduces its power by up to half.

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Started at 5.0, and it was fine there, idk how it ended up at 4.3 to begin with.

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I just assumed “stats from matches” with all the players who bomb/go for GTs before, making it safe making them perform badly overall.

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Being easy prey for every fighter in its BR range. Additionally after being moved 7.3 everyone seemed to forget the Su-11 exists.

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… Wait, people are losing dogfights against Wyverns?

It’s a brick that can’t turn.

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It’s a brick that if it does turn it becomes exponentially easier to kill. I love using the Wyvern for boom and zoom, but goodness if you turn in it you signed your own death warrant.

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Imho the OP wrote energy fights, imho a difference.

On top of that - every few hundred matches you meet pilots in Air RB which are using the Wyverns with a joystick - way less energy losses compared to the average mouse aim user results in way better (actually surprising) agility.

Check old wt forum - you find “confessions” of Wyvern users confirming that…
https://old-forum.warthunder.com/index.php?/topic/543513-what-is-wyvern-doing-at-40/&do=findComment&comment=9488458
But most of their users are not aware of this and have no clue about ACM and energy management, so from a general perspective you are right.

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I guess I know what to buy if I decide to switch tech trees.

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The Wyvern if flown properly can be devastating, but you can’t say that you have difficulty killing it with any fighter, because the Wyvern will lose all dogfights against them.

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With regards to AirRB - not true as not relevant, as the key for a proper usage is exactly to avoid any slow combat and to use superior speed in the first place. You won’t start a dogfight / turnfight with an A6M whilst flying a P-47, but the P-47 can dictate the fight due to its way superior speed.

So an experienced pilot can remain untouchable by disengaging at will - whilst the performance advantage of speed and energy retention in a straight line allow him to pick his fights.

It became a lot easier to kill them since October 2023 when they removed aaa on the forward airfields, but the problems with them early game are still there.

I linked above a quote from 2022 - i had to break off / pull my airbrake as i attacked a Wyvern at 9.800 meters - as he managed to outdive me, and my rip speed is between 870-880 TAS at this alt…(i flew an SM 92).

I mean even if you don’t trust me - this entire thread from 2021 - 2022 describes in detail the challenges whilst flying and/or fighting them - from the perspective of highly experienced (and successful) fighter pilots:

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I don’t care which BR they give the Wyvern, the problem is that even 4.7/5.0 there are many new players who get killed by the Wyvern, because even with the FW190 F8 with two 30mm cannons and with inferior performance to the Wyvern I happen to get 3/4 kills, and the same thing goes when I fly with the Do 335.

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So they move it down to where nothing can catch it?

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The only planes I’ve seen Wyvern’s outrun is Zero’s. Literally everything else can easily catch them.

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That is demonstratively untrue

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The Wyvern can do almost 650kph in level flight at sea level (and can do the same up to 3,000m)

for reference for Bf 109K-4 can only do 603@SL and the Fw 190D-9: 621@SL

it really shouldn’t be below 5.0, it takes a substantial energy advantage + dive for most fighters this BR to catch a Wyvern, it’s very unserious.

edit: OP is also drunk, the Wyvern isn’t even close to the performance of the A2D-1

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Imho your reply has nothing to do with what i wrote.

You claimed that a Wyvern will lose any dogfight - and i replied this makes no sense as any competent pilot will avoid a dogfight at any cost.

So your answer claiming that you have no problem with getting kills in it (or with other strike aircraft) has nothing to do with dogfights - all of these aircraft can get kills with forced headons supported by air spawn - or just by 3rd party kills - but this is not a dogfight in the actual meaning.

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Wyvern easily holds 600kph+ IAS in level flight.

There is literally nothing at 4.0 and almost nothing at 5.0 that can keep up with that

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