Too much effort man, don’t really care to prove this.
As you can tell, Stop with this KA-50 - #73 by SanguineSerpent, effort didn’t really pay off here.
Besides, the Ka-50 doesn’t have to strike an AH Mk.1 from 10km, only that it can (with varying success).
8km / 9km range would be a lot more managable, though.
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My point is that after the missile reworks and the range reduction of the Vikhrs, they are now vastly outclassed by the starstreak and its flight time.
I don’t side with any of the both sides here, however Vikhr does have a 10km range, statcard just lies with the 8km range from what i can see
From my experience in the Ka-52 it can barely reach out to 8km and still have the energy to deal with a target travelling >100km/h.
The range is still 10km, which is very good. Starstreaks can only go so far, 7km, so as long as the Ka-50 is out of that range, the Teapache is useless and has to restort to hiding. The Vikhirs can land a hit on a relatively low ground vehicle at 9km in ~24 seconds, which is definitely not as fast as the Starstreaks, but is enough to pin-down any helicopter it faces.
For reference, the mokopas take 42 seconds to do the exact same distance (9km).
Moving targets from 9km of around 100km/h may be different though, like you say, but I will investigate further.
For 10km you need a lot of speed and altitude. From hovering on low altitude (average game situation), the vikhir flies 9km and takes about 24 seconds to hit. Some players do not know this and it is funny to watch as a dude leads a vikhir from 9.5km, and I know for sure that it will not reach me and don’t hide from it.
The only thing they’ve lost is manoeuvrability. Range and speed have not changed in any way.
That why i need 1 starstreak to kill it 98% of the time?
Since when is the br of a helicopter calculated purely on its ability to fight other helicopters?
It’s funny to see people talk about how strong ka50 and how lack of zoom and thermals are a small disadvantage. They almost always have a kill/spawn ratio ~1 on it. If your 600sp spawn has the same efficiency as average 100sp mbt than it’s a big disadvantage that hard to overcome.
And again, show me the missile hitting an AH Mk.1 from 10km away.
That’s all I’m asking you to do, as I know you can easily rush towards the Ka-50 and fire off a starstreak in the time it takes for it to see you, lock, and fire a vikhr.
It’s happened to me more than enough times xD
This is really dependent on the map, and the Ka-50’s competency, but I understand where you’re coming from.
Again, it doesn’t necessarily have to be from 10km away.
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Well and closer and the range “advantage” is lost. Between the speed of N Apache and the speed of a Starstreak, you can launch a vikhr from 8km and in that time it can approach and fire before your missile hits.
I get that, but like I said, a competent Ka-50 would notice you’re trying to close the gap, and can fly backwards comfortably at around ~150km/h, and (assuming you’re closing in on a stationary ka-50 at ~200km/h), is just a measly 50km/h gain. Of course, there are other factors that should be taken into account, such as the acceleration to max speed of the Teapache and the reversing Ka-50, but you get the idea.
You’re also flying towards the missile, while the ka-50 would be flying away from any potential starstreak.
It’s impossible. You can calculate the average helicopter speed and missile flight time and you’ll realise the numbers don’t add up.
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It doesn’t hold hands?
Are you serious?
All helicopters get a ton of handholding.
Stop lying.
Mk1 eyeball, one target at a time, limited firing FOV, doesn’t like to pivot.
I prefer laser munitions with thermal observation myself, far easier and packs a larger punch to the tank as well.
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You lack reading comprehension or you don’t realize the difference between what you think you said and what you actually said.
Did iention thermals? No
I even quoted the part and stated it outright after that again.
You claim was that the ka-50 doesn’t hold hands, period. Don’t make general statements of you don’t mean them in general. My l guess is that you thought you said or meant to say “the Ka-50 doesn’t hold your hands with thermals when it comes to spotting” instead of what you actually said “the ka-50 doesn’t hold your hands”… Like at all, which is BS.
Because there is a ton of handholding going on.
So again stop lying.
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@DerGrafVonZahl
Ah, all you have are insults and derailing statements.
No one claimed you mentioned thermals; read posts before replying to them like I and everyone else has done.
I also mentioned more than thermals in my post, which you clearly didn’t read.
Stop having childish accusations in your post that claim everyone of the opposite of what they’re are and stay on topic.
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What insults?
You could say me saying you are lying is libel, since you might have not known any better and lying is the act of knowingly making false statements but you didn’t know any better.
But there isn’t a single insult in those two posts.
I sure did, but that was about how the BR of the KA-50 is justified. You posted nothing proving your statement that the ka-50 doesn’t hold your hand. And how could you, all helicopters are extremely handholdy at the moment.
This makes no sense. I took a specific statement you posted and told you that it was wrong and rather obviously so.
You do realize that attacking an argument is nit off topic if the argument was made to support a claim of the topic?
So to put it simply: of course the ka-50 holds your hand. All helicopters do.
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Dont waste your time with him.
We already did enough.
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Thats just a skill issue though. You don’t fly straight towards ka50/mi28, otherwise you deserve to die.
Thats no true. Have you tried shoot the cockpit ??
Not really, flying heli effective requires skill as everything else, otherwise you will get clapped by SPAA fast.
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Yes, and he dont die. You Need to focus the engine of ka-50. I did a lot of test and of you shot at the pilot most of the time he survive with no problem. You Need to get the engine or hit him from below to Hope to kill 1 shot. But before he goes down he manaje Always to respond with 1 vikhr and bring me to death.
I read a lot of coments with no sense. You all Say haw good are hellfire and haw good are other missle. Yet in sqb against top 20 squadrons you never see an other hely beside Ka-50 and Z-19 to kill Planes. Who bring other helicopter die in First 2 minute.
Now you can argue all you can whant. The true story Is that Ka-50 Is one of the strongest helicopter and Gaijin keep It at 11.0 only to have 1 br where you Need to have It to compete with other squadron that have It. So you buy It and they make money.
There Is no other reason not to have 1 heli at 11.0 that cant fight back. You put worst helicopters not premium at highter br just cuz they are tech tree and they dont need to stay at the same BR of Ka-50 to consider other player to not spend to do something in that br.
And a lot of dumb player that dont know haw to use a helicopter and dont know what means to play in squadron battles. They Just play arcade Battle or ground Battle and they take 1 missile in the face 3 second after, or they spawn with rokets and run on the Battlefield. And after they cry and Say that the ka-50 Is weak and dont need to get up in br…lame.
No it doesn’t. They get a lot of handholding tools, bot as much as tanks sure but they do get them. The only ones getting pretty mich none are single seat aircraft (with exceptions of course). And that is only true in SB. Everywhere else there is a ton of handholding everywhere.
The claim was the helicopters get no handholding, not that they get as much handholding as the other vehicles, he said none. And that is what i am respinding to. Your statement is a very different statement. Because helicopters get less (!) handholding than tanks but more than planes.
But tonreiterate that wasn’t what he posted. He said no handholding. To disprove the claim i only need one example of handholding in helicopters.
So here it is:
In reality an autohover holds a hover for you, but it doesn’t induce it. So you need to get into the hover before engaging autohover.
In WT when you engage the autohover it induces the hover (even when you are upside down, with sufficient altitude). Because the game does not trust you to vet into the hover yourself and therefore does it for you… It is textbook handholding.