You should ask that yourself, as you brought up the “it can just move away” argument.
That’s nice whataboutism.
Yes, you move away and the one that follows you is the IR AGM.
No. Saying what a competent Pantsir playing will do in response is simply pointing out why your imaginary idea of what happens between a Pantsir and a plane is baloney.
Calling it a whataboutism is just your way of deflecting a counterpoint when you know you’re wrong.
Yes, you gonna move 100-200m in order to get any difference.
So a competent Pantsir player will always have a friend with him or have a building big enough to hide behind, right ?
We’re like two posts in and you’re already grasping at straws.
Oh sorry, is that too hard for you?
On nearly every map in the game, yes, there’s large objects to hide behind. And please don’t try to say:
“bUt whAt AbouT ThE mAPS ThAT dON’T?”
I agree with most of the post. I can’t comment on Sabra / Trsikhon as I’ve not unlocked them yet, nor can I really comment on AH-60 as I’m still grinding Spikes which is their whole selling point.
But on this specific thing, I would disagree. F-15I is great. Perfectly capable of holding its own against other top tier fighters.
This is our single biggest issue IMO. I hate the fact Merk’s and Namer are made of tissue, but to an extent I can grit my teeth and work around it.
There is literally no working around, adapting or overcoming the fact that Machbet / Chaparral are simply useless at top tier though.
We desperately need something like HVSD/ADAMS or Spyder. It is an absolute joke how far behind this tech tree is in AA.
The IDF have stated it is 80 tons.
I agree on that
The big problem is mobility of 8.0 in 11.0 and the armor too
Armor was never the problem as you never relied on it. Speed is not good, but you still have many advantages over other 10.0s.
U could relie on the armor in downtier in a hull down
But the big problem is mobility
U have like 8.0 mobility in a tank that is paper
This is not goes well toogether
The leo 2a4 was allready a strech for the sabra to go against
now it will be against t90a and mbt 2000 its too much
Not really.
2A4 has better mobility and gun handling. Sabra can basically shoot 2A4 wherever it wants and it also gets a competitive reload with thermals. The fact it was a full BR lower than one of the best 10.7 just shows how strong it was at 9.7.
Merkava stronk
Leo isnt one of the best its mid at most after all the nato humps
And yea u can pen it easily but so does he can pen u easily and everyone else and j dont have mobility to get to a good positions or play like a rat
U forced to play very passive
U cant even snipe cuz ur turret armor doesnt stop 3bm22
The best solution is to increase its reload not make it a higher br
Tell me something that’s vastly better than 2A4 at 10.7, considering you stated it’s mid at most.
Dude you need to realize you’re talking about almost/or full uptiers, you shouldn’t be on par there.
I know right, the Merkava 4’s are not even that bad, just stay hull down and you’re good for life! They don’t need a artificial buff, I feel like they are fine at the moment.
Chally m3 ,t80b ,abrams(its stock grind is a nightmare tho)
Not on par but expet fp u are so much worse
How are those vastly better ?
You have a better round than they do, gun handling is pretty similar with reload being standard for 10.7.
Sabra doesn’t suffer that much against 10.7.
Chally has great armor better round and better relaod
T80b has greay mobility like the leo but have good armor am better shell and autoloader which is allways nice to have
Not as much against 10.7
It does suffers as much against 11.0
The most braindead heli to play in the game is high risk ? Lmao
It also has way worse mobility and gun handling. It’s armor definitely isn’t great and it reloads in 5s only for 3-4 first shots. I don’t see how Chally is vastly better.
Similar forwards mobility with crap reverse. UFP is better and has a better round.
That’s all when it comes to it’s pros.
It reloads slower with worse gun handling and gun depression. As said above, I don’t see the part where it’s vastly better.
I disagree with the bs Ayit change the most, since they changed the Walleye lock range (idk when that was) you have to be so close and exposed to spaa it was honestly fine at 9.7. Same for the Mavericks it can carry, basically useless.
It also only gets very bad AA missiles and if you take them you have to sacrifice further A2G weapons.
Now it sits at 10.0 where only the sabra sits and you can get uptiered to 11.0. While the lineup at 9.3/9.7 was very fun, im not going to torture my balls by bringing those tanks to possible 11.0 games.
With 9.7 you got a decent amount of full downtiers, have to see how it’s now i guess.