Stop killing Israeli TT BR-changes

[CobarGG]

Its simply unfair.

Lets start with vehicles in Israeil tech tree and the battle ratings they should have. Im strictly speaking about Ground Realistic Battles (or GRB) only.

Merkava Mk1B/2B/2D - all belong to 9.3. They shouldnt meet premium leo2, abrams and 80ud under any circumstances. Its a vehicle without any armor and mobility. The only thing going for it is turret rotation speed. But for some reasons its getting moved to 9.7/10.0.

Merkava Mk3B/C/Raam Sagol - pure 10.7 vehicle. Its inferior to leo2 and abrams in every aspect except for its shell. So it would be completely fair to put them on the same BR.

Merkava Mk4B/LIC/M - 11.3 vehicles. Currently there is M1A1 AIM sits at 11.7, which is better then any of said merkava, because it has better turret rotation, mobility and armor.

Namer RCWS-30/Tsrikhon - 10.3. Cant be higher then 2s38. RCWS-30 got DM bug, which causes it to lose spikes and tracks after being hit in 30mm ammo. Tsrikhon APS doesnt work for monthes now. Its very slow and cant fight 10.7 tanks. Spikes are modeled unrealistic in wt and cant be considered as a reliable weapon. 30mm bushmaster is just a joke at BRs higher then 10.3.

Sabra Mk1 - its good at 9.7. But its not a 10.0 vehicle. Its no match for 2s25m with its mobility and high resolution thermals.

Ayit - 9.7 jet. Its already fighting 2s6 which is stupid, but you srsly putting it up against Tor??

Kurnass 2000 - 11.3. Its good strike aircraft at its BR, but rising it to 11.7 means permanent play against S1. On a Phantom E. Against Pantsirs. And it cant actually compete with a fighters from its BR, because its pure attack jet. But the main question here is why Su25T/39 not getting moved? Its better in A2A role because of radar (in case of Su-39) and R-73 which is simply the best IR-missile in a game, and better in A2G role because of amount and quality of its munitions. And it never plays vs S1. Why is this beast of an attacker stays at its BR?

Kurnass - 11.0. How comes this thing is on the same BR with Su-39 and HQ-17?

AH-60 - 11.7 at very best. Its heavy helicopter and it have no chanses against jets. Helicopters cant survive at all at top tier, unless its russian or chineese ones. But this bulky one specially.

Israel is already one of the least played nation for the reasons. It still have crazy spaas problem. It doesnt have meta jet at top tier - F-15I cant survive against su-30, ef and rafales, while being constantly put against 2-4 pantsirs because of Israel matchmaking. And Israeli f-16s doesnt have good A2G capabilities.

Noone plays it but its getting absolute most amount of BR nerfs every time gaijin toying with BRs.

How comes, one of the most modern-armed CAS nation, which is combat proven irl, getting this treatment in this game?

Stop touching our vehicles. At very least leave Israeili 9.7 and 11.3 setups be. Its all we got. Nobody complains about Israeli vehicles, unlike paper Kh-38MTs and completely OP S1s ruining top tier GRB.

Im playing Israel for 4 years now and this nation getting nerfed over and over again.

Yeah and keep in mind we get a new premium netz for 80$ which is a pure garbage in both arb and grb because it either plays against fox-3s without irccm missiles or even fox-1s, either supposed to attack pantsirs with 10.3 munitions…

[AlvisWisla]

First off, this is Merkava’s ammo:

Equivalent to 120mm DM23.
So firing similarly performing ammunition as Leopard 2A4, the Merkavas with their lower mobility and armor sit at 9.7.
Its equivalents are also 9.7.

Merkava Mk3 does not fire 440mm class ammunition for 10.7. Firing M322 [the ammo used in Strv 122B] and decent mobility make them rather good 11.3s.
Its equivalents are all 11.3 or higher.

Merkava Mk4s fire the superior M338, with great mobility, and armor slightly better than that of the 11.3 M1A1, and the 12.0 Leclerc while firing a better round than both.
Mk4 also has armor errors that can be corrected when declassified and unrestricted information is found and acted on.

Sabra Mk1’s equals are at 10.0.
TOR is not 10.0.
Kurnass 2000 has stand-off weapons, and yes Pantsir is probably the only SPAA capable of fragging Kurnass 2000 in the game when both are played correctly.
F-15I is meta, as well as the best CAS platform in-game physically incapable of dying to Pantsirs due to its range, weapon, and speed advantages.

AH-60 is as good if not better than Apaches and Kamovs due to 16x F&F missiles.

I’ve been playing Israel since it started and it’s got corrected multiple times due to errors.

Some of your post is great critique, which is the stuff I didn’t address.

I implore you to play more than Israel, and play the vehicles with equal ammo, mobility, and sometimes armor.

[aim-9]

+1
Just add a top tier spaa, even our “top tier spaa” is broken

[viski253]

bro thinks merkavas have no armour.

[noamax]

Bro thinks merkava has armor

[noamax]

Yea even the last good vehicles are taken from us

[noamax]

@CobarGG

How comes, one of the most modern-armed CAS nation, which is combat proven irl, getting this treatment in this game?

I think we all know the reason

[MotorolaCRO]

@CobarGG

Sabra Mk1 - its good at 9.7. But its not a 10.0 vehicle. Its no match for 2s25m with its mobility and high resolution thermals.

Did you seriously compare MBT to a light tank.

[Just_Baron]

I agree with most of these points, but the Sabra is objectively better than the M60-2000 and the Event M60T, so it shouldn’t be lower than them.

The AH-60 is by far the best helicopter in the game, not because of its mobility or survivability, but because it has 16 FNF Spikes which are significantly better than any missile which requires a steady lock at that BR.

@CobarGG

F-15I cant survive against su-30, ef and rafales, while being constantly put against 2-4 pantsirs because of Israel matchmaking. And Israeli f-16s doesnt have good A2G capabilities.

I’m pretty sure this is wrong, but I have no experience, yet. I’m still grinding the F-16D.

That’s pretty much it though.

[CobarGG]

@AlvisWisla

I implore you to play more than Israel, and play the vehicles with equal ammo, mobility, and sometimes armor.

yeah, this is what im going to do anyways. Ill just gonna play ussr and farm free kills.

@AlvisWisla

AH-60 is as good if not better than Apaches and Kamovs.

Spoiler

@AlvisWisla

F-15I is meta, as well as the best CAS platform in-game physically incapable of dying to Pantsirs due to its range, weapon, and speed advantages.

Then why are you playing it to 0.3-0.5 KD (given your 0.6 player kd and 2.3 bots kd in arb)?

Spoiler

you literally cant do anything in “best CAS platform in-game physically incapable of dying to Pantsirs”

@AlvisWisla

Kurnass 2000 has stand-off weapons, and yes Pantsir is probably the only SPAA capable of fragging Kurnass 2000 in the game.

Again - 1 KD at best

Spoiler

@AlvisWisla

TOR is not 10.0.

tor is 11.0. Ayit is 10.0. Guess whats gonna happen

@AlvisWisla

Merkava Mk4s fire the superior M338, with great mobility, and armor slightly better than that of the 11.3 M1A1, and the 12.0 Leclerc while firing a better round than both.

Spoiler

@AlvisWisla

Merkava Mk3 does not fire 440mm class ammunition for 10.7. Firing M322 [the ammo used in Strv 122B] and decent mobility make them rather good 11.3s.

• worse mobility then leo2
• worse gun handling then leo2
• worse survivability then leo2
• worse gun elevation angles then leo2
• better round then leo2
  -…
• sits at +0.6 BR

I dont even know why im replying to you

[Just_Baron]

@AlvisWisla

Merkava Mk4s fire the superior M338, with great mobility, and armor slightly better than that of the 11.3 M1A1, and the 12.0 Leclerc while firing a better round than both.

The suggestion that the Merkava Mk.4 has better armor than the M1A1 is false simply because they’re almost identical in protection, which is absurd for the Merkava’s composite thickness. This becomes drastically bad when you realize the Merkava is 12.0 and the M1A1 is 11.0. You can make use of that protection at 11.0, but 12.0 ensures your dead on sight from any glance.

You have a decent argument for the Leclerc, but I’d have to add that the Leclerc, Ariete, and Merkava are all pretty bad at the top tier. There’s a reason the Leopard is so dominant, and it’s not really that mobile compared to tanks like the BVM. Armor is incredibly useful.

[scripterzofindia]

Ya they don’t

[noamax]

@Just_Baron

I agree with most of these points, but the Sabra is objectively better than the M60-2000 and the Event M60T, so it shouldn’t be lower than them.

How so?

[Beeschurger]

@CobarGG

Sabra Mk1 - its good at 9.7. But its not a 10.0 vehicle. Its no match for 2s25m with its mobility and high resolution thermals.

That is absolutely insane take

[noamax]

@Just_Baron

The AH-60 is by far the best helicopter in the game, not because of its mobility or survivability, but because it has 16 FNF Spikes which are significantly better than any missile which requires a steady lock at that BR.

Did u played it?
They are bad the pars are better damage wise and speed wise
U can fire all 16 and get maybe 3 kills

[viski253]

💀💀💀💀💀💀💀💀💀

[Just_Baron]

It’s one of my most played Helicopters, though I tend to steer away from high-tier ground battles for Israel due to an inability to fight the dreaded KH-38 spam. A Chapparal is helpless.

But I can assure you from my experience that the AH-60 is pretty strong. Being able to dump 16 missiles in a direction and get out of a Pantsir’s sight quickly is very important to your survival, and the Saraph cannot offer such an ability.

Also, Hellfires are dogshit for how long they take to hit AND you need to hold the lock for a long time.

[noamax]

Bruh all top tier apfsds can pen the turret from the front with no issue
If u have bad time against a merkava u have a serious skill issue problem

[scripterzofindia]

I agree about the kurnass ah 60 f15 I but rest you are just ranting bro… the ammo is dm 33 105 which btw most of the tanks at even 9.3 have… take the leopard 1a5 m48 super. Infact the t72a t64a have even more penetration apfsds rounds… Not to mention t64b which gets 3bm42… why? I have no idea… And that too you have 125mm dart not 105mm dart… 125mm dart has exponentially better spall performance that 105mm darts like there is no comparision…

the the A4 Ayit… Man 2s6 is not 10.0 but gets uptier almost every game… It would face it every game… and the fire and forget missiles it gets are agm 65a on a subsonic platform that loses all its speed the moment you even think of turning…

And the sabra mk1…
HMMM again t64b is at 9.7 with 3bm42 and much better armour and mobility(forward)… + it gets atgms(not much useful but still worth mentioning)

LEMME GUESS
You are a russian main that cannot cope with anything that even comes even close to the russians in terms of performance or you are a american coper that cannot play that br and are saying your already op tanks should be even more op

[Beeschurger]

@noamax

If u have bad time against a merkava i have a serious skill issue problem

Lmao