I agree, this topic —in general, not post-specific— is a worded representation of a tire dump, so far i haven’t seen a proper improvement on the argumentation either against or in favor. Some self criticism should be made, as it’s the same debate all the time lol.
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You have no right to point out anyone being this disingenuous, as you’re skipping flat facts with interpretation.
Is there anything I stated in that claim that is untrue?
Yes. Even if it’s gun-dependant, DM53 is the best performing round in the game.
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I added the parentheses specifically because I know the L/55 is a better cannon, I’m not “hiding” anything here my guy.
So it’s not the best round available on tech trees in the game. Good to read.
It is, Now I feel you’re intentionally misrepresenting what I said despite me being pretty clear on what I meant.
It isn’t
I wonder why the need to hide behind that euphemism?
DM53 is the best round in the same way a bedroom full of lettuce is more calorie rich than an ounce of steak.
Ammo isn’t a gun. When comparing ammo it has to be out of the same-length gun, otherwise it’s a bogus claim.
Do I need to point out the sheer gulf in performance between M774 vs 3BM-42 / DM23 (120mm), especially considering the level of armor that they come up against (A point could also be made about lacking access to M833 or M900(A1) which would close the gap to the 120mm guns for the 105mm M1s). and lack of access to a round that can reliably overpressure (e.g. 3OF26 / 9M112), due to historic HESH nerfs and in general poor modeling of CE warheads causing significantly reduced Blast & Fragmentation effects across the board.
Also the fact that neither ERA bypass, or the Pyrophoric (incendiary) after armor properties of DU are modeled as mechanic additionally causes issues, yes retaining the 5 second reload as well as improved performance may lead to a significant improvement, but that is why it’s a balancing factor, and along with the aforementioned mechanics and shells like (X)M943 and M1147 remain as options.
I’d much rather have a better First shot performance than have a marginally faster reload since at least in my experience I find actually getting into a situation where would have actually made a difference to be fairly rare.
Hot Take: All the ammo in game is just pure trash. at 0kph lying on the ground it is all absolutely useless.
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I’m not hiding anything, to make it 100% clear one more time so I am not being misrepresented.
The M829A2, is the best shell in the game fired out of a 120mm cannon, the L/55 is the best cannon in the game in terms of pen.
I made the point that the Abrams has a top notch round to make a point that it is not terrible nor indicative of a tank that is worse than it’s peers as to justify it’s poor wr, clear?
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Still better reasoning than claiming ammo is better than other ammo when one is fired out of a longer cannon.
Yeah, and it would be worse if it would be fired by a rifled 120mm, hiding behind the gun to skip the current raw numbers in a videogame it’s an euphemism that doesn’t justify anything at all.
Okay, whatever.
Well, then by this logic the DM53 shell is simultaneously better and worse, so I can’t accept that interpretation.
You tell me which number is the highest:
I think it’s the second, but we’ll surely agree on it.
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I never mentioned that M829a2 fired out of an L/44 had more pen than DM53 out of an L/55, so I’m not sure how this chart would prove I’m being disingenuous.
If I didn’t mention the L/55 in my initial post, you might have some legitimate criticism, but I did, so what’s the issue?
Is 724 larger than 716?
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So it’s Germany’s fault to develop a new gun to improve their current round’s performance for their best vehicle instead of just saying that the US fell behind technologically gun-wise? Wicked line of thought you decided to hold. So the vehicle is worse in at least a way.
Where does this data come from? It’s clear that IRL numbers are not representative of anything here, Gaijin has proved that time and time again.
No, but 752 is larger than 724. End of story.
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