I figured I would make the topic because nobody else wants to.
The purpose of the thread is to gauge community support for moving the Tornado F.3 from 13.3 to 13.0 BR.
Personally I think this is a good move or at least one that would be consistent with current game logic. Currently 13.0 BR bracket is where mediocre AMRAAM slingers with non competitive flight models get some respite from having to face top tier all of the time.
13.0 BR AMRAAM slingers include Ja-37 variants, J8F, F-4F ICE, Kfir C.7 and a handful of Harriers. All of these planes strengths boils down to strong missiles that are offset by inferior energy and turn performance vs late SARH planes like MiG-29, F-16, F-18 etc.
The Tornado F.3 Late fits into this same archetype of plane. It has okay avionics and straight line performance but also abysmal turn performance. Moving it to 13.0 would at least give it some kind of niche advantage to work with about 50 percent of the time.
It is still underperforming in most respects. Especially as its got too much drag and cant reach its IRL max speed. Let alone if you throw combat thrust ontop of that.
After which point, the balance should be achieved via defensive loadout.
352 large calibre flares and 432 large calibre chaff would compensate for any lack of FM. Let alone if you were able to trade 216 of those chaff for a TRD. (also if it ever gets modeled. aircraft like the Mig-29 and Su-27 wouldnt be able to use their radars if targetted by a Tornado F3 as the Foxhunter was powerful enough to jam their radars)
And if all that is still not good enough. Tornado F3 late can get Aim-120C5s and ASRAAMs.
The bug reports. They got closed because the game engine cant model it properly. Need to try and report it again sometime next year I reckon.
It was only partially corrected, and given way too much drag meaning its missing a sizable chunk of its top speed.
Might be so. But thats not an excuse for it to be weaker than IRL or why it cant be given IRL CM loadouts or even buff its missiles if it becomes necessary.
Let alone other buffs like Pilot hand controls for a semi-HMS like functionality or adding something for aircraft with a navigator.
There is lots the F3s and the Tonkas in general, could be given
Pure FM doesnt mean everything. You trade FM for a great radar and excellent defensive suite.
Its 1.18 with a weapons and 60% fuel iirc , Fireball has a little more fuel in that report for M1.18 Though less weapons
But with 60%/35 minutes of fuel, full weapons loadout (no tanks) and flying it a straight line for ages highest I hit in game was Mach 1.14-1.15. So its missing around Mach 0.3-0.4 mach speed at sea level. if im correct about that config ( was a while ago)
Trying out 2x 9Ls and 45 mins fuel. It just barely reaches M1.17 and it takes ages. Realistically, youd probably only be hitting M1.15 ish most matches as even the slightlest twtich would drop you down. So even going by Fireballs accepted and fixed report, its underperforming by around 0.1-0.3 mach
So like I said. Gunna poke them about it sometime next year. Maybe something further can be fixed in the future. In the meantime. BOL and Phimat can come anytime
People have been asking for a new bracket for the better part of a year.
In the meantime the number of players has basically reduced by half or greater.
If they were going to do it then I think it would have been done by now. Adding two more brackets also just further fractures an already dwindling playerbase.
…or allowing those BR’s to be playable actually draw players back that shied from the SIM mode because their favourite aircraft always were at a disadvantage…
