Squish Saves Sim: Tornado F.3 Late To 13.0 Bracket

Its 1.18 with a weapons and 60% fuel iirc , Fireball has a little more fuel in that report for M1.18 Though less weapons

But with 60%/35 minutes of fuel, full weapons loadout (no tanks) and flying it a straight line for ages highest I hit in game was Mach 1.14-1.15. So its missing around Mach 0.3-0.4 mach speed at sea level. if im correct about that config ( was a while ago)

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Trying out 2x 9Ls and 45 mins fuel. It just barely reaches M1.17 and it takes ages. Realistically, youd probably only be hitting M1.15 ish most matches as even the slightlest twtich would drop you down. So even going by Fireballs accepted and fixed report, its underperforming by around 0.1-0.3 mach

Found Gunjobs official comment on this:

So like I said. Gunna poke them about it sometime next year. Maybe something further can be fixed in the future. In the meantime. BOL and Phimat can come anytime

What they could easily do is to adjust the top brackets so also 12.3 and 13.3 and even 13.7 could be top BR at least in one rotation:

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Thats so baller. Makes me wonder how good the UK would be if they started modelling EW and jamming

and de-chirped sidewinders!

People have been asking for a new bracket for the better part of a year.

In the meantime the number of players has basically reduced by half or greater.

If they were going to do it then I think it would have been done by now. Adding two more brackets also just further fractures an already dwindling playerbase.

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…or allowing those BR’s to be playable actually draw players back that shied from the SIM mode because their favourite aircraft always were at a disadvantage…

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Do you think that 2/3rds of British Eurofighter players quit the game because their favorite plane is always at too great of a disadvantage?

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Can you show the graphs of said Tornado F.3 late (and other in a similar situation) and over longer time?

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Similar story but far less popular to begin with.

Rafale dropped more than 2/3rds over the same time period? Also there are three of them, so the player base is more split.

Want to know what that graph shows?

Just how bad the Typhoon was.

Decemeber to March it didnt have a radar, but could just about solider through matches against the Su-27 and other Typhoons (though Typhoon vs Typhoon combat did get stale)

Then player count dropped in March. Why?

0 Typhoon bug fixes and they added the Su-34 that could easily beat the Typhoon in its current state.

Steady drop off until the next major. Barely any changes once again. Couple with the stagnant and massively outdated nature of top tier ASB and the lack of new maps. I wouldnt be surprised if every single aircraft at top tier had a similar decline bar the Rafale.

With the changes we got recently. You might see an increase again, though the Typhoon Cockpit has a LOT of issues, and I know quite a few are frustrated by those. I know I am.

They all look like that for the most part

Rafale;
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Yes.

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Rafale player numbers had stabilized for 3 months and then dropped by 25 percent as soon as turn rate was reduced.

Interesting. Was expecting far smaller drop off. Goes to show just how stale top tier ASB is.

Though if 3-4x more matches were played by the Rafale does show the issues the Typhoon had.

Edit, was looking at the F3 late graph not the FGR4 graph. My bad. That difference will be the lack fo downtier bracket

Anyone looked at the longer term and correlation with major patches (where new FOTM comes fresh in…)?

Anyway, I don’t say adding additional brackets is THE solution for Sim. It’s one of many aspects, some way more important, but maybe less easily solved…

I’m not sure why your graph looks different from mine, but it still shows a drop of more than two thirds, which is the threshold you set for being “abandoned.” It follows the same overall trend as every other aircraft, so using a single statistic in isolation here is misleading.

Ahhh yes the plot doesn’t update as I change vehicles. haha/

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The Typhoon has been consistently the 2nd best plane in sim since it was added. The only plane that is decisively better than it is the Rafale.

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In a dogfight*

The radar issues its been plagued with until recently rendered it practically a WVR only jet. In ASB, a gamemode were radar performance actually matters…

You were screwed. Trying to fight Su-30s were impossible. They would just intercept your AMRAAMs and rain R-77-1s down onto you.

I spent most matches just defending the AF from spawn campers.

Mine is formatted on mobile version of website.

Sim playerbase has been in large decline across the board over past 6 months. Everyone that still plays the game has noticed this.

We will see player spike this month from plane event and then another big crash out to current levels after event is over.

Adding 1 more bracket where Tornado goes from bad to slightly less bad isn’t going to change those numbers.