Squish Saves Sim: F-16 ADF & Equivalents to 12.7BR

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To tie it together with the Tornado thread, I see that your idea is roughly this (considering new BR brackets and AMRAAMs for F-16s):

  • 13.0 - bracket for early gen 4 fighters
    F-16A
    MiG-29
    F-14B
  • 13.3 - bracket for IRCCM, gen 3 Fox 3 slingers and light gen 4 fighters with Fox 3s
    French F-16A
    F-15A
    Su-27
    Tornado F3 Late
    AV-8B Plus
    F-4F ICE
    F-16 ADF
    MiG-29SMT
    JF-17
  • 13.7 and up - bracket for advanced/strong gen 4s with fox3s

And this is a minimalist idea, with as little changes as possible and using current Gaijin logic, so they will hopefully make these changes.

Am I right or did I misread your intentions?

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I think you also can add limited “heavy” 4thgen too. Like F-15A(with realistic amraam added), J-11A.
Maybe limit their loadout to these “light level”. Like 6xAMRAAM and other only IR, 6xRVV-AE and other only SARH&IR.

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It doesn’t

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Basically at 13.3, redfor stomps almost unopposed

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the JF has better bleed rates, but the F-16 reagins speed better

it could go both ways in a dogfight

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So 16 ADF indeed doesn’t have better flight performance, as they’re almost the same and pretty much interchangeable.

And all things considered, Jeff nukes the 16ADF in a normal match

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if the F-16 stays as it is currently and just gets amraams yes 100%

they might give it TWS or something tho

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It’s problematic, because R-27ER outclasses AIM-7M and AIM-120 outclasses R-27ER.

With current Gaijin logic F-15A and Su-27 would be equal on a basis that Su-27 has better missiles and F-15A has better flight performance and avionics.

J-11A would be equal enough to F-15A with AMRAAMs, but Su-27 and J-11 wouldn’t.

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wont help it a lot.
and probably they dont, gaijin hates early US radars.

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when another decompression… well

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R77s are better than amraams, but an f15A with amraams and TWS would most likely stomp a J11A

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That’s why it’s better to just not add F-15s and Flankers with Fox 3s to the new proposed 13.3 bracket.

With current Gaijin logic.

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15A lacks TWS in game.

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Thats why i said a hypothetical F15a with amraams and TWS would nuke a J11A, but an F15A with amraams and it’s current radar might be on par with it.

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F15a with AMRAAMs imo would be better than the 15c, there’s no way that thing can be lower than 13.7

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Ideally I think they would have added a BLK42 F-16C with AIM120As, but I think this change is overall not horrible, because otherwise the F-16C-52 would be permenantly stuck with early AIM-120C which would either force the PoBIT F-16C’s (latest variant in US service with AESA and AIM120Ds and AIM9X-3) to be stuck with AIM-120C and 9x-1. OR there would be no circa mid 2000’s f-16, and we would instead have a jump from 1990’s 120A/9M F-16 straight to 2020s 120D/9X3 F-16.

While it’s not ideal, I think it is a good change because it allows the F-16C-52 to get it’s armament of AIM120C-5 and AIM-9X (when they decide to add it)