It is pointless because it’s a hypothetical which is far outside the basis of reality that it is meaningless.
Quite literally no different from me saying “What if pigs learn to fly tomorrow?”. You can make a hypothetical about quite literally anything regardless of how detached from reality it is, it doesn’t mean it is worth the time it took to bother writing.
Which is the case here, the hypothetical is so far removed from reality that it is unequivocally never going to occur.
So now it’s the player’s fault he wasn’t able to hide his three big trucks on a post stamp sized map. Just great.
You could take, lets say, Type 81 and I’ll take an MBT of the appropriate BR. You should be able to kill me in those 25 minutes that the match lasts for, right ?
It quite literally happens with annoying frequency in ASB matches during air event grinds, and we have some players who outright admit to this being their goal on the forums.
There’s a reason I lowkey stop playing the game when there’s air grind events, or stick strictly to rank 2 or below - it makes it easier to avoid the ju 288 and other zombers who eject the moment a fighter shows up within 8 kilometers.
If a P-47 is mowing the lawn and gets dived on by a Ki-43, which parks himself no more than 500m behind him, is there anything the P-47 can do? Is it “fair” for the P-47 to J out because he’s in a bad spot?
“or other methods of unfair play”
Yes those are words, those are words that do not say that I am not allowed to leave my vehicle unless first having been killed by an enemy.
Please find explicitly where it states in the ToS that you cannot leave your vehicle to change vehicle using the leave vehicle button. Please cite the exact quotation that states this. You won’t, because it doesn’t say that. The leave vehicle button exists to, wait for it, allow you to leave your vehicle whenever you wish to leave it.
Same applies for leaving the match.
If this was an actual thing then it would be written in the rules like it is in games where this is punished, take mobas for instance where the rules generally explicitly state that although you can leave the match mid game, you will be punished for doing so. They explicitly state it within the ToS.
The ToS does not have any stipulations in war thunder for leaving the match or leaving vehicle.
The only thing war thunder has is exceptionally vague “catchall” statements which can be applied to almost anything with the right angle, which are also part of the reason why EULAs are not the be all and end all when it comes to legal disputes given that companies can write whatever they want there, does not mean it is enforceable or legal.
I distinctly remember seeing a video of someone in an A-10 about to strafe an IRIS-T SLM and the SPAA J’d out to avoid getting gunned down by the slowest high tier plane.
And this is relevant to your hypothetical situation wherein literally nobody ever gets any research and nobody is ever able to progress?
The topic is SPAA Jing out. Unless AI SPAA are now able to J out it isn’t very relevant and I’ve been trying to focus on specifically this topic whilst people keep trying to discuss something unrelated to the topic.
There is. Especially when we have diverse community from many different countries that consider different things as “spirit of fair play”
I think you missed my point entirely…
It is relevant to your hypothetical situation where everyone is always damaged:
And again, abandoning vehicles to deny kills is against the rules, doesn’t matter which flavor of cope you come up with. As someone else said, if you do not like it, you are free to not play WT - nobody is forcing you.
So if anytime my SPAA is about to get killed, I J out and deny someone a kill, if I personally consider it fair play do I get to just do that for free, forever?
Must have flown off with the hypothetical pigs.
You missed my point entirely clearly. Pointless hypotheticals with no basis in reality are just that, pointless. Ground battles are NEVER going to be in a place where nobody is able to get kills and nobody is able to progress because everybody J’s out the second their spidey senses start tingling and their premonition of their imminent tickling by a 7.62mm which would prevent them from Jing out without awarding a kill goes off.
I also use CAS, and sure people will very, VERY rarely J out to avoid a kill. Hasn’t stopped me bombing the ever loving daylights out of helpless people. It also does not bother me in the slightest because I can entirely understand their frustrations when I’m nigh untouchable and they’re just free XP because the game is so shoddily balanced.
I’m talking on the behalf of literally defenseless AAs that get pushed by whatever, it doesn’t matter.
Not leaving your vehicle in that situation could be interpreted as griefing if you read our amazing EULA, as you’re intentionally giving free SP to your enemies, thus hurting your team.
There isn’t a sliver of chance that you’re getting out of that duel victorious, so leaving your vehicle is the best thing you can do for yourself and your team.
Are they not able to fight back? Do they have literally zero possibility of countering an attack?
Not the discussion nor the point being made. I very much feel like you missunderstood me.
There is no specific rule against it. Do it if you feel like it.
It is relevant to your hypothetical situation where everyone is always damaged:
Please quote where I said “everyone is always damaged”. I never said that, I have alluded to the fact that Jing out to avoid awarding a kill is very seldom compared to people awarding kills by dying because that’s just reality. If you wish to deny that then you can live in fantasy.
And again, abandoning vehicles to deny kills is against the rules, doesn’t matter which flavor of cope you come up with. As someone else said, if you do not like it, you are free to not play WT - nobody is forcing you.
Nope. Cite wherein the ToS it states that you are not allowed to leave your vehicle. You can’t because the purpose of the leave vehicle option is to, LEAVE YOUR VEHICLE. There is absolutely nothing that says you can leave vehicle except for in the instance where you are possibly about to die to an enemy.
So if anytime my SPAA is about to get killed, I J out and deny someone a kill, if I personally consider it fair play do I get to just do that for free, forever?
Sure, crack on. I could not care less if you do that. If you want to leave your vehicle you can go right ahead, I’ll probably have a chuckle too if I’m the one throwing AGMs at you when you do so.
Well show me how an IR SAM can counter the attack against an MBT.
No, that’s the whole issue I’m having which is why I support J-ing out in those instances.
I gave you a perfect example of this unfairness.
Time to report any and all Drones I see J-out in all future matches since they are denying kills to SPAA.
They aren’t. They can show the base nature of a situation or thing by blowing it out of proportion to make the issue of said thing more obvious. It’s ment as a way to make the other person understand that there is an issue to begin with, it serves a purpose of communicating the general idea and concept. It has a purpose.
which i answered:
Your personal experience does not invalidate others experiences. There is clearly a majority of players that think that using the mechanic in that not intended way isn’t a good thing, just search through all the threads about it here on the forum.
Time to report any all Drones that J-Out in all of my future matches since they are denying SPAA kills.
They aren’t. They can show the base nature of a situation or thing by blowing it out of proportion to make the issue of said thing more obvious. It’s ment as a way to make the other person understand that there is an issue to begin with, it serves a purpose of communicating the general idea and concept. It has a purpose.
No, not even remotely. Making up ridiculous hypotheticals does nothing but dilute or try to divert from the reality of the topic.
Your personal experience does not invalidate others experiences.
Same applies to you, pointless statement.
There is clearly a majority of players that think that using the mechanic in that not intended way isn’t a good thing
According to who? Let’s see the data then, let’s see the community polls. Why don’t you ask the developers to create a poll that launches on game startup and asks the question that way this issue can be put out the whole active community?
just search through all the threads about it here on the forum.
There’s also plenty of people posting in threads here and elsewhere that have absolutely no problem with people leaving their vehicle whenever they want. Neither of us have any actual tangible substantive data here on this so this is going to turn into a pointless back and forth of opinions with no substance.
Also if number of threads on a topic were an indicator of how badly a problem needed dealt with and how much of the playerbase wants something, then CAS would have been nerfed into the ground a long time ago given the prevalence of CAS removal / ground only threads that exist and have existed.
And yet, nothing.
WT’s EULA is so poorly and vaguely written that you might breach it by just killing the wrong vehicle.
You might also breach it if not leaving certain, defenseless vehicles when met with a duel with any other enemy vehicle.
I guess some parts of the EULA are like GRB maps, made a decade ago and left to rot without any updates.