Yes those are words, those are words that do not say that I am not allowed to leave my vehicle unless first having been killed by an enemy.
Please find explicitly where it states in the ToS that you cannot leave your vehicle to change vehicle using the leave vehicle button. Please cite the exact quotation that states this. You won’t, because it doesn’t say that. The leave vehicle button exists to, wait for it, allow you to leave your vehicle whenever you wish to leave it.
Same applies for leaving the match.
If this was an actual thing then it would be written in the rules like it is in games where this is punished, take mobas for instance where the rules generally explicitly state that although you can leave the match mid game, you will be punished for doing so. They explicitly state it within the ToS.
The ToS does not have any stipulations in war thunder for leaving the match or leaving vehicle.
The only thing war thunder has is exceptionally vague “catchall” statements which can be applied to almost anything with the right angle, which are also part of the reason why EULAs are not the be all and end all when it comes to legal disputes given that companies can write whatever they want there, does not mean it is enforceable or legal.
I distinctly remember seeing a video of someone in an A-10 about to strafe an IRIS-T SLM and the SPAA J’d out to avoid getting gunned down by the slowest high tier plane.
And this is relevant to your hypothetical situation wherein literally nobody ever gets any research and nobody is ever able to progress?
The topic is SPAA Jing out. Unless AI SPAA are now able to J out it isn’t very relevant and I’ve been trying to focus on specifically this topic whilst people keep trying to discuss something unrelated to the topic.
It is relevant to your hypothetical situation where everyone is always damaged:
And again, abandoning vehicles to deny kills is against the rules, doesn’t matter which flavor of cope you come up with. As someone else said, if you do not like it, you are free to not play WT - nobody is forcing you.
So if anytime my SPAA is about to get killed, I J out and deny someone a kill, if I personally consider it fair play do I get to just do that for free, forever?
You missed my point entirely clearly. Pointless hypotheticals with no basis in reality are just that, pointless. Ground battles are NEVER going to be in a place where nobody is able to get kills and nobody is able to progress because everybody J’s out the second their spidey senses start tingling and their premonition of their imminent tickling by a 7.62mm which would prevent them from Jing out without awarding a kill goes off.
I also use CAS, and sure people will very, VERY rarely J out to avoid a kill. Hasn’t stopped me bombing the ever loving daylights out of helpless people. It also does not bother me in the slightest because I can entirely understand their frustrations when I’m nigh untouchable and they’re just free XP because the game is so shoddily balanced.
I’m talking on the behalf of literally defenseless AAs that get pushed by whatever, it doesn’t matter.
Not leaving your vehicle in that situation could be interpreted as griefing if you read our amazing EULA, as you’re intentionally giving free SP to your enemies, thus hurting your team.
There isn’t a sliver of chance that you’re getting out of that duel victorious, so leaving your vehicle is the best thing you can do for yourself and your team.
It is relevant to your hypothetical situation where everyone is always damaged:
Please quote where I said “everyone is always damaged”. I never said that, I have alluded to the fact that Jing out to avoid awarding a kill is very seldom compared to people awarding kills by dying because that’s just reality. If you wish to deny that then you can live in fantasy.
And again, abandoning vehicles to deny kills is against the rules, doesn’t matter which flavor of cope you come up with. As someone else said, if you do not like it, you are free to not play WT - nobody is forcing you.
Nope. Cite wherein the ToS it states that you are not allowed to leave your vehicle. You can’t because the purpose of the leave vehicle option is to, LEAVE YOUR VEHICLE. There is absolutely nothing that says you can leave vehicle except for in the instance where you are possibly about to die to an enemy.
So if anytime my SPAA is about to get killed, I J out and deny someone a kill, if I personally consider it fair play do I get to just do that for free, forever?
Sure, crack on. I could not care less if you do that. If you want to leave your vehicle you can go right ahead, I’ll probably have a chuckle too if I’m the one throwing AGMs at you when you do so.
They aren’t. They can show the base nature of a situation or thing by blowing it out of proportion to make the issue of said thing more obvious. It’s ment as a way to make the other person understand that there is an issue to begin with, it serves a purpose of communicating the general idea and concept. It has a purpose.
which i answered:
Your personal experience does not invalidate others experiences. There is clearly a majority of players that think that using the mechanic in that not intended way isn’t a good thing, just search through all the threads about it here on the forum.
They aren’t. They can show the base nature of a situation or thing by blowing it out of proportion to make the issue of said thing more obvious. It’s ment as a way to make the other person understand that there is an issue to begin with, it serves a purpose of communicating the general idea and concept. It has a purpose.
No, not even remotely. Making up ridiculous hypotheticals does nothing but dilute or try to divert from the reality of the topic.
Your personal experience does not invalidate others experiences.
Same applies to you, pointless statement.
There is clearly a majority of players that think that using the mechanic in that not intended way isn’t a good thing
According to who? Let’s see the data then, let’s see the community polls. Why don’t you ask the developers to create a poll that launches on game startup and asks the question that way this issue can be put out the whole active community?
just search through all the threads about it here on the forum.
There’s also plenty of people posting in threads here and elsewhere that have absolutely no problem with people leaving their vehicle whenever they want. Neither of us have any actual tangible substantive data here on this so this is going to turn into a pointless back and forth of opinions with no substance.
Also if number of threads on a topic were an indicator of how badly a problem needed dealt with and how much of the playerbase wants something, then CAS would have been nerfed into the ground a long time ago given the prevalence of CAS removal / ground only threads that exist and have existed.
WT’s EULA is so poorly and vaguely written that you might breach it by just killing the wrong vehicle.
You might also breach it if not leaving certain, defenseless vehicles when met with a duel with any other enemy vehicle.
I guess some parts of the EULA are like GRB maps, made a decade ago and left to rot without any updates.
This is all entirely pointless anyway given that the enforceability of this stretching of the vague ToS is laughable.
People will continue to leave their vehicles and the match whenever they want for whatever reason they want and it will only be the most sour of grapes CAS players who will bother go out of their way to try and report it.
If this was actually a significant problem it would be dealt with mechanically or specifically noted in the ToS like other actual infractions are e.g. teamkilling.
I know I’m not going to be reporting people for leaving their vehicles when I’ve sent an AGM flying towards them. That’s me done with this topic anyway.
Then we have wildly differing views on interpersonal communication tactics and their purposes and won’t come to any sort of agreement on this. Lets just agree to disagree here then.
Where have i brought up personal experiences from the game?
Again, as previously stated, If you actually read through the countless topics created on the subject you can see for yourself.
Why do you think that topic was brought up in one of the CM disclosure posts and top tier Anti Air vehicles such a big focus of this major update?
You might not like how they solved it or you might think it’s not enough, but it is most definitively something and not nothing.
