SPAA J'ing out before you can kill them

[luque13]

Issue is the Radar vehicle has maximum spawn protection so in that time you need to destroy the launchers while the Radar vehicle is immune.

The implementation of systems like the IRIS-T SL is really poor and being able to instantly poop out another launcher is terrible for gameplay.

The IRIS-T SL is a terrible addition for gameplay and we have just punted the Pantsir problem down the road.

[Casino_Knight]

This is all entirely pointless anyway given that the enforceability of this stretching of the vague ToS is laughable.

People will continue to leave their vehicles and the match whenever they want for whatever reason they want and it will only be the most sour of grapes CAS players who will bother go out of their way to try and report it.

If this was actually a significant problem it would be dealt with mechanically or specifically noted in the ToS like other actual infractions are e.g. teamkilling.

I know I’m not going to be reporting people for leaving their vehicles when I’ve sent an AGM flying towards them. That’s me done with this topic anyway.

[ULQ_LOVER]

@PercussionCap

There are many situations where you can abandon your vehicle without denying someone a kill.

Casino_Knight:

But any j-out is like kill denial because someone would have that kill in order for You to change the vehicle or leave the game.

[Necronomica]

@Casino_Knight

No, not even remotely. Making up ridiculous hypotheticals does nothing but dilute or try to divert from the reality of the topic.

Then we have wildly differing views on interpersonal communication tactics and their purposes and won’t come to any sort of agreement on this. Lets just agree to disagree here then.

@Casino_Knight

Same applies to you, pointless statement.

Where have i brought up personal experiences from the game?

@Casino_Knight

Neither of us have any actual tangible substantive data here on this so this is going to turn into a pointless back and forth of opinions with no substance.

Again, as previously stated, If you actually read through the countless topics created on the subject you can see for yourself.

@Casino_Knight

Also if number of threads on a topic were an indicator of how badly a problem needed dealt with and how much of the playerbase wants something, then CAS would have been nerfed into the ground a long time ago given the prevalence of CAS removal / ground only threads that exist and have existed.

And yet, nothing.

Why do you think that topic was brought up in one of the CM disclosure posts and top tier Anti Air vehicles such a big focus of this major update?

@magazine2

Q: In Ground Realistic Battles, top attack aircraft are capable of dominating ground vehicles for the most part. Are there any plans to do something about this in 2025?
A: According to our data, the balance at the top ranks of ground battles is noticeably shifted towards aviation and helicopters, and this balance has become even worse with the introduction of top aircraft this year. The situation where aircraft can attack tanks from a safe distance with impunity makes gameplay more boring for aviation and less fair for ground vehicles, a similar situation is with helicopters equipped with long-range fast ATGMs, or “fire-and-forget” ATGMs.

To counter these types of threats, more powerful systems are needed that have the ability to fire at several targets at once and a wide search sector in both azimuth and elevation. The most advanced SAM system currently presented in the game only partially meets these requirements, so we’ll move towards heavier systems for all nations, including those components of which are located on several chassis. Of course, we’ll have to solve the problem of controlling these types of SAM systems, but we’re already having thoughts on the matter.

In turn, there are plans to add new capabilities for aircraft. And while we do not consider anti-radiation missiles (ARM) a priority and necessity, more advanced capabilities of ESM from on board an aircraft, i.e. more accurate determination of the active radar position, are in our fairly close plans.

You might not like how they solved it or you might think it’s not enough, but it is most definitively something and not nothing.

[MotorolaCRO]

@Casino_Knight

I know I’m not going to be reporting people for leaving their vehicles when I’ve sent an AGM flying towards them.

I know I’d report you for unfair play if you, in your ground vehicle, dared killing my AA that can only target air vehicles.

[Necronomica]

SPAA J'ing out before you can kill them

There absolutely are situations where it’s reasonable to use. If your tank is stuck and you cannot move, aim or in any way be useful to your team in a spot where enemies likely wont ever see you. Then j-out to be able to spawn in another tank is reasonable as staying stuck would hurt your team more but doesn’t really take away a kill from the enemy team if they wouldn’t reasonable have been able to get to you and/or see you. When you’re in a plane that is severely damaged, you cannot control …

The issue starts when you j-out with the purpose of denying a kill.

[RemoveCASfromGRB]

@Casino_Knight

People will continue to leave their vehicles and the match whenever they want for whatever reason they want and it will only be the most sour of grapes CAS players who will bother go out of their way to try and report it.

Second match of the the day, had two people J-Out of their vehicles, denying 2 potential kills, which would have contributed to the match. They have both been reported for being Filthy Kill Deniers, regardless of the reason why they left their vehicles. /s

[MotorolaCRO]

No foul play in denying an unfair kill.

[ULQ_LOVER]

That is still denying a kill for an enemy.

If You got stuck and cannot move, it is Your fault for driving that way and enemy should be able to take advantage of it. Why deny that kill? Making assumption that someone won’t be able to find You is again just an assumption. You should not be able to do that.

I won’t be talking about situations where enemy is still going to get a kill as they are not on topic.

All j-outs should just leave Your vehicle to be without You controlling them (same when You disconnect). That way no one would be “hurt”.

[Hudler]

Is there any council that will determine that “this J-out was to deny a kill and that J-out was not”? Or we will be using a crystal ball for it?

[Hudler]

half of your post i see in this forum are insults to other people.

[luque13]

You J out you pay the rep cost anyway so why J out.

It’s just pure toxic play and sweaty. Oh no my KD will drop if I die.

Please go and play another game War thunder is not meant to be played like this.

[luque13]

@Hudler

half of your post i see in this forum are insults to other people.

No doubt you have receipts?

[Hudler]

@luque13

Oh no my KD will drop if I die.

J-out literally gives you death to k/d

[MotorolaCRO]

@luque13

You are the very worst of this game

No, I just dislike unfair things.

@luque13

You J out you pay the rep cost anyway so why J out.

It’s not about the repair cost, it’s about the unfair nature of the engagement.

[Hudler]

@luque13

Please go and play another game War thunder is not meant to be played like this.

Please, follow your advice, thanks

[luque13]

You are in mixed battles…

[MotorolaCRO]

Doesn’t excuse it to have unfair stuff.

[luque13]

Constructive thanks

[AK_Awful_Waffle-psn]

@Hudler

Your slow drone going back to airfield is taking long minutes. Considering that matches are very short, you are spending half of the match doing nothing, just gliding towards airfield. You can be reported for passive behaviour - you are wasting time and you are not helping your team fight.

Lol reported for flying to rearm? 🤣