I know I’d report you for unfair play if you, in your ground vehicle, dared killing my AA that can only target air vehicles.
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The issue starts when you j-out with the purpose of denying a kill.
Second match of the the day, had two people J-Out of their vehicles, denying 2 potential kills, which would have contributed to the match. They have both been reported for being Filthy Kill Deniers, regardless of the reason why they left their vehicles. /s
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No foul play in denying an unfair kill.
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That is still denying a kill for an enemy.
If You got stuck and cannot move, it is Your fault for driving that way and enemy should be able to take advantage of it. Why deny that kill? Making assumption that someone won’t be able to find You is again just an assumption. You should not be able to do that.
I won’t be talking about situations where enemy is still going to get a kill as they are not on topic.
All j-outs should just leave Your vehicle to be without You controlling them (same when You disconnect). That way no one would be “hurt”.
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Is there any council that will determine that “this J-out was to deny a kill and that J-out was not”? Or we will be using a crystal ball for it?
half of your post i see in this forum are insults to other people.
You J out you pay the rep cost anyway so why J out.
It’s just pure toxic play and sweaty. Oh no my KD will drop if I die.
Please go and play another game War thunder is not meant to be played like this.
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No doubt you have receipts?
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J-out literally gives you death to k/d
No, I just dislike unfair things.
It’s not about the repair cost, it’s about the unfair nature of the engagement.
Please, follow your advice, thanks
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You are in mixed battles…
Doesn’t excuse it to have unfair stuff.
Constructive thanks
Lol reported for flying to rearm? 🤣
so was it confirmed by a higher up or is it still your interpretation
and if we go this way to describe using game mechanic for “unfair advantage” will players that go out of bounds of the map to get to OP camping spots get banned too?
The reason for my answer was this:
“any” includes legitimate uses.
This might be the best solution i’ve seen so far, there are some problems with it though but i think the benefits would outweigh them so not worth bringing them up.
Administration in this case, likely in the same or similar ways that they handle other griefing, teamkills and bans of those nature.
J-out is even more unfair if done to deny a kill as there is absolutely nothing the enemy can do to counter it in any situation. Imagine it the other way around, you use an inferior vehicle, you outsmart the opponent that is in an overpowered vehicle in such a pro play move that the enemy is a guaranteed kill, they J-out out of frustration to deny you your kill. Does that sound fair and fun?
Still my interpretation. Which is why i use words as “can” , “depending” , “likely” , “risk” , etc.
Depend on what you mean by “out of bounds”, if they in some way phase through the terrain/obstacles to get there then it would be against the rules yes. If it’s just going outside the play area and getting the “return to the field” notification then likely not, they do however patch those areas out if they become an issue so it’s worth reporting anyway.
Just as a recent example:
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In some cases, no
A few examples :
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Su25 knows where you are, spawns with unguided rockets, and you are on a very open map, He goes all flares out : no chance you can lock it with a manpads. If you appear to have no guns, you are done for, and won’t have any way of countering
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A heli, sitting 3.5km away, throws an atgm at you. Since your IR missile can’t lock it at this distance, the only thing you can do now is either find a building and let him massacre your team, or make a little dance
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A multi SAM system is very complicated to hide on a small map, and you are very much defenseless against any kind of ground vehicles
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Someone throwing AGM in GPS or GNSS mode from behind a hill isn’t threatened, although i’ll give you that you can counter its missiles (very unreliable though)
Does this mean spawning a Su25 or a tank to rush the spawn and kill AAs is against the ToS ? Of course not.
My point is, in many engagement, when both enemies see each other, it usually comes down to aims best, who can make the most effective evasive maneuvers (especially for planes and battleships), but if the same situation applies with a SPAA in the duel, it is almost always at a disadvantage (Guns AA around 8.0 excluded).
I’m not trying to justify the behavior, but it can be easily understood why this sometimes happens : people don’t like serving as RP and SL Piñatas
In order for this issue to be properly solved, there needs to be a feeling of fairness, and a global overhaul
- Make CAS actually threatened across all BRs, and decrease their spawn point so the justification “but i paid in SP to have an advantage” does not hold any water anymore
- Move multi SAMs SPAAs outside of tank maps, or at least make it harder to go after them. It makes sense for AAs to be on tank maps at lower BR because of low engagement distances, but a SAM site has no business being 1 km away from a ground threat. The “distance inflation” is an issue on its own and an entire topic could be made about it
The people here that are desperately trying to rationalize bailing out to deny others a chance at engagement (death is not necessarily imminent) are exactly the sort of people you’d expect it to be.
Once you’ve been around long enough, you realize most of the relevant individuals absolutely despise being outplayed and defeated. They’d rather bail out to deny others a chance at even engaging them than try to fight and (possibly) lose while guaranteeing the loss of their vehicle solely out of spite.
These people are not truly upset about enemy vehicles, some ‘OP’ weapon or even their K/D…they just don’t want to face possibly being outplayed and defeated. Competition is antithetical to these people…they feel entitled to win or they want to take their ball and go home.
It is admirable to hear administration is willing and able to clamp down on such unsportsmanlike conduct; going further, I fully endorse additional penalties for repeat offenders (for instance, say, a 1 week lock away from the game burning 2 weeks of premium time).
The people who are trying to haggle about how/why they bail out to deny engagements should stick to custom battles with the bots where it’s safe.
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