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When has NATO ever been Russian?
Just cause NATO CAS is OP doesn’t make it Russian.
You praise Russia way too much.
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Literally just use a Fighter Jet
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Assuming you are using US, just use the great jets they have and shut down the sky. Anything with aim9m and/or aim120 will do great at taking out cas.
Or wait until next year when they add new top tier spaa.
A rather long sentence with almost none of it being true. But keep scizo ranting.
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Yeah but having to get 735 sp just to use F15E with an Air to Air loadout is wild lol just to shoot down cas
Oh yes the great russian bias defender lol give US HARMs and AGM114Ls oooooohhh the devs said they wouldn’t ever add them…weird lol yoi still didnt answer my question
AIM120 are not an equivalent to Pantsir. For them to be effective you need to be within 20km and shooting at a hot aspect target and you need some height. You can’t do these 3 things without making yourself an easy target for Pantsir.
Not only that, AIM120 alerts the target and the RWR tells them how long they have before getting hit. The Pantsir missile doesn’t alert their target and a single pantsir can launch 24 superior missiles for a fraction of the SP cost.
That’s why pantsir is useful even against CAP, which helps russian CAS dominate.
Anyone who defends the Pantsir is simply a trash handheld player who has never won a fair fight in his (more like xer) miserable life, which is also why they’ll lie and downplay how broken it is.
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It is cheaper with the aim9m but i agree. ARH should be cheaper.
As long as you stay past like 15km, you are fine. And 20km will cover at least half of the air map.
US air power can still keep the sky about as clear as Russian spaa. Of course we still need new top tier spaa for basically every nation. Luckly they confirmed they will add those next year. I just hope it is early next year rather than late next year.
This is dishonest as hell, as expected. Even 15 km from the Pantsir still puts you at 25km from the Su34 easily massacring your team with Kh38, which gives it about a decade to notch and avoid your missile. Meanwhile you’re well within the effective range of one or more Pantsirs, and your puny NATO RWR is obviously too primitive to detect them (source : sekrit documents))))))
If my a10c can dodge them at 16km out, your f16/f15 can dodge them at 15km out.
Do you not get launch warnings? Did they change something recently?
Only way you’re dodging Pantsir at that range is if you’re low height, which doesn’t apply since AIM120 are useless in that case.
Pantsir does not trigger a launch warning like Flakrad or Ito because it guides the missile with a secret radio band which NATO engineers are obviously too dumb to implement
Fair. I guess the glide bombs are lighter than carrying the huge dumb bombs.
I dont recall that happening. I will go fly out the f15 and f16 in some matches when i get time.
@HOMINUSNOCTURNO
Well, thanks for warning me you demand Russian bias.
Also thanks for warning me you consider all of NATO Russia.
We know for a fact AGM-114Ls are too OP.
And SPAA doesn’t exist in WT to counter HARMs at this time. CAS is already unkillable, and wanting CAS to be even more unkillable is stupid.
Also @ExcaliburSniper claiming that because NATO CAS are handheld by OP jets, their lack of skill in CAS is what’s preventing them from dying to Pantsir… what kind of backwards thinking is that?
Also, Excalibur, FlaRakRad doesn’t give warning either as its sight can be IR tracked, and the missile is SACLOS.
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FlaRakRad doesn’t give warning either as its sight can be IR tracked, and the missile is SACLOS.
Flakrad still triggers a RWR warning when guiding a missile, even when the target is IR locked, genius.
Most RWRs react to both the radar lock and the guidance radio commands (except Pantsir’s).
At least according to your fellow geniuses at gaijin.
Its really not that hard to evade a pantsir so long as your not within 12 or so, past that any manoeuvres the missile does at all will have it defeated very very easily as it has no sustainer. Flying low is a pretty good strat as always against any AA but you can still have no fear of any AA in the game rn regardless of altitude so long as u don’t go closer then that and dont fly in straight lines. Plenty of good f16’s and f15’s killing pantsir’s all the time just by adhering to those general CAS rules. Does that mean its not the best AA in the game, no it is hands down - but it not the ultimate destroyer of all aircraft like so many make it out to be.
Also if u doing cap to kill enemy cas then simply just fly around the AO. There is plenty of roomon every map for that & no penalty to just loitering literally behind the enemy spawn point anyway besides being visible on the map - but who cares when u can just shoot the enemy right as they spawn so they cant defend against u.
@HOMINUSNOCTURNO thinks Putin is American! LOL!
Your country’s education system failed you.
We know for a fact AGM-114Ls are too OP.
And SPAA doesn’t exist in WT to counter HARMs at this time. CAS is already unkillable, and wanting CAS to be even more unkillable is stupid.
@ExcaliburSniper
I’ve only gotten warnings from RWR locks from FlaRakRad cause people just never switch to IR tracking.
That and all ten tech trees don’t have SPAA capable of dealing with IR guided weapons.
Weird of you to claim that all players are Gaijin though. It’s a rule violation for you to impersonate an employee.
@AlvisWisla i’m shocked to see that a russian main and bias defender doesn’t know how the game works
The most advanced RWRs are even capable of detecting launches of missiles with semi-active warheads, as well as anti-aircraft missiles in “silent” mode, i.e., with a SAM’s radar turned off, based on the radio commands sent to the missile en route to the target.
@skilz2kil The effective range of the pantsir heavily depends on whether they know how to use the lead mechanic or not. Thankfully 99% of them are like razervon here and can only press w + point + click, but a good pantsir player can easily stretch that to 15km. I’ve been hit several times at 15+km pulling 9G which is just hilariously unrealistic.
Doing CAP at treetop and using 9Ms works just okay. It’s very easy for enemy CAS to drag the fight in the pantsir envelope and the 9Ms are decoyed by a single flare or missile launch. Russian teams also have much better heli fired A2A missiles (TY90 and 9M39) and russian helis have hilariously accurate guns compared to NATO.
@ExcaliburSniper
You’re a Russian main? News to me.
Weak bait BTW, my first ever completed tech tree was Japan, and I have all ten tech trees completed.
To be fair on HARMS, they really can’t be added until Patriot-range systems are added. Even from low altitude HARMS would outrange even the Pantsir.
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