SPAA at 9.3-10.3 is hilariously OP and i see no one talking about it

[Creastroy]

@Beeschurger

Oh wait, they do.

What’s the purpose of targeting pods and climb rate difference then xD

If only that BT5 in the example before has a weaponry that can pen leo2, oh wait, he does.

@Beeschurger

instantly neutralizes most ground obstacles

I like these guys, always get detected before having enough climb and die instantly to my OSA

@Beeschurger

Are these sentences in english

Does bro have literacy issues?

@Beeschurger

9.3 CAS plane to 10.3 AA?

Me checking 1.7 stuka to 2.7 m16, 2.7 il2 to 3.7 wirbel, 4.3 P63 to 5.3 Ost2
Don’t see the difference why not? Compression should be mentioned as always.

Al least we are considering 0.3 BR difference?

If we do compare 10.3 to 10.3, count how many maverick B carriers without targeting pods are there. Superior eyesight and a large display needed to see beyond that 6km line…

Then 9.3-7 to 9.7 stingers, 9.0-ish to impchapp… Should I say play before commenting? Harriers deal with stingers just fine but not for many others.

@Beeschurger

Both of them have weaknesses and strong points, just like any other vehicle.

And they are OP enough. idk how one can never feel that by playing…Just as one won’t say T80bvm should be with l2a4 for dm23 goes through weak spots.

@Beeschurger

Do you struggle against AIM-9Bs? Do you think AIM-9B pulls too hard to be dodged? If not, then how are you struggling against stinger?

This one’s pure trolling. Statement is clear, that stinger is not 9B.

@Beeschurger

I dare to say i know what i am talking about if i say that

How are we playing the same thing, air and ground, without the same outcomes bruh

@Beeschurger

Instant kill of tank by CAS plane?

Payed 800sp for it. You won’t try to prevent me for just a single kill after so much dodging and rocket spraying right =D

[Beeschurger]

@Creastroy

What’s the purpose of targeting pods

to provide optical zooms neccesary for aircraft, mostly at top tier, to equalize visual detection distances.

@Creastroy

If only that BT5 in the example before has a weaponry that can pen leo2, oh wait, he does.

you might as well talk about some random food recipe and it will be just as relevant as the BT5 example.

@Creastroy

I like these guys, always get detected before having enough climb and die instantly to my OSA

your stats with OSA dont match your claims.

@Creastroy

Does bro have literacy issues?

@Creastroy

F8F is the only thing with the capability at 4.7 stop acting like it’s common thing

@Creastroy

I don’t see the reason behind a guaranteed kill by every guaranteed visual contact.

@Creastroy

You think it would be unfair to let go a target that have to be in your range or what?

no, its just clear english isnt your first language and whatever point you might have had is getting lost in translation.

@Creastroy

Me checking 1.7 stuka to 2.7 m16, 2.7 il2 to 3.7 wirbel, 4.3 P63 to 5.3 Ost2
Don’t see the difference why not? Compression should be mentioned as always.

Comparing CAS planes to AA one whole BR higher?

By all means, lets also compare:
Imp. Chaparal 9.7 to 10.7 A-E6 Tram,
Imp. Chaparal 9.7 to 10.7 Mi-28A,
Imp. Chaparal 9.7 to 10. 7 G-Lynx
etc.

@Creastroy

Al least we are considering 0.3 BR difference?

i dont have issue with this, its not like some countries, like japan, have for example a 9.7 AA anyway so they have to uptier 9.3 vehicle.

@Creastroy

If we do compare 10.3 to 10.3, count how many maverick B carriers without targeting pods are there

Only mavericks B and only 10.3? F-4F (Germany), A-10A Early, A-7D, AJ-37.

At mere 0.4 BR higher at 10.7 (since were considering such small difference anyway), almost every country has some plane with guided weaponry.

@Creastroy

Superior eyesight and a large display needed to see beyond that 6km line

This is Mav B zoom at rougly 11km

same AA, same position, taken with Tornados targetting pod.

i dont think anyone needs “superior eyesight” to see beyond 6km with Mav Bs.

@Creastroy

Should I say play before commenting?

@Creastroy

Harriers deal with stingers just fine but not for many others.

@Creastroy

This one’s pure trolling. Statement is clear, that stinger is not 9B.

mate im not the one saying a 13G missile is difficult to dodge.

@Creastroy

And they are OP enough. idk how one can never feel that by playing

already posted about how your OSA stats dont match your statement.

@Creastroy

How are we playing the same thing, air and ground, without the same outcomes bruh

:)

@Creastroy

Payed 800sp for it.

so?

@Creastroy

You won’t try to prevent me for just a single kill after so much dodging and rocket spraying right

Warthunder is competitive game. Wouldnt be honorable to not give my all when facing enemies.

[Creastroy]

@Beeschurger

equalize visual detection distances

Yep this is right, so before pods visual detection is indeed unequalized

@Beeschurger

your stats with OSA dont match your claims

Ground collapsed 2/3 of the matches. See win rate. And for this account I brought them to 11.0-12.0. Works better at range than 2s6 anyways

@Beeschurger

lost in translation

English language failing to hold all the information density:
Or is it unwilling to understand idk

@Beeschurger

Imp. Chaparal

9.0 one

10.0 f105? ez
10.0 f4c? ez
10.0 su22 or 104G can flare me, though su17m2 can’t
10.0 F1 ez again
All 10.0 Frenchies? ez

And another lovely 9.0 to be played with impchapp

No dumb bomb carriers allowed

And if we have to stick to 9.3+ no matter how op things are

Ground team failed the 100 games. Tank obviously kills better.

For the gepard one. I’m not a stat-chasing streamer, I join the tank battles for fun, including blowing up T72s from their side… or at least trying to XD

@Beeschurger

i dont think anyone needs “superior eyesight” to see beyond 6km with Mav Bs.

As I’ve tried to make clear looong ago, if you are able to point to the position of an AA and yurns on the mav seeker, you are already having the information.

This is how a ground unit looks at the max range of mavB

Without UI

This is 24km. And is still far more distinguishable then what you see when seeking for a target at 6km away with 3rd person view. When cover is not considered.

Bro can almost attack pantsir from outside of the range with mavB only when you know the accurate position…

@Beeschurger

mate im not the one saying a 13G missile is difficult to dodge.

Fly a mig23bn or jaguar and let a friend shoot you 4 stingers. Use a plain map.

@Beeschurger

Wouldnt be honorable to not give my all when facing enemies

Looking at those who stays on the ground when a 2500sp Nuke is on the way

And when can we continue to CAP part

[Beeschurger]

@Creastroy

Yep this is right, so before pods visual detection is indeed unequalized

no, the visual detection range is equalized relative to the BR, or rather relative to range both CAS plane and AA can egage each other.

8.7 CAS does not need targeting pod to spot 8.7 AA at 10km because the 8.7 AA will never in thousand years be able to engage it beyond its absolute range.

@Creastroy

Ground collapsed 2/3 of the matches.

So? My team also collapses half of the games I play without me killing a single plane, yet i did ok so far in OSA.

@Creastroy

English language failing to hold all the information density:
Or is it unwilling to understand idk

no i think its geniunely your translation software mistranslating some words.

@Creastroy

9.0 one

10.0 f105? ez
10.0 f4c? ez
10.0 su22 or 104G can flare me, though su17m2 can’t
10.0 F1 ez again
All 10.0 Frenchies? ez

you picked some of the worst possible planes at 10.0 to be used for CAS. How about the 9.0 Chaparal countering the swiss hunter, A-4E or ayit? Hell, even alpha jet.

@Creastroy

you are already having the information.

Yes, if you count knowing where the enemy spawns are as having said information. Looking in general direction of the enemy spawn usually does the trick.

@Creastroy

And is still far more distinguishable then what you see when seeking for a target at 6km away with 3rd person view. When cover is not considered.

Why are you seeking target from distance of 6km without any sort of optic?

@Creastroy

Fly a mig23bn or jaguar and let a friend shoot you 4 stingers. Use a plain map

Dont need to. Between stinger carriers i played and swiss hunter i use as CAS for my 9.7 lineup (which is pretty much the stinger territory, or in words of Coyote Peterson “Im about to enter the sting zone”). I have pretty good idea how Stingers (or Mistrals or Iglas) behave.

@Creastroy

Looking at those who stays on the ground when a 2500sp Nuke is on the way

Thats purely player issue.

[noamax]

@Beeschurger

ayit

Ayit is a full br higher tho

[Beeschurger]

OH FU-

[noamax]

Yea its going aginst a strela with agm65a

[Beeschurger]

anyway since i never played 65As, i had to look up the missile datasheet and according to it, 65As have 14x zoom.

Which is more than 65D and if A-10A Late can hold its ground against strelas with those, so can ayit.

[noamax]

Im pretty sure its not x14 but sure
The problem isnt just the zoom its the seeker
U can berly get 3km lock which is far inside strela range

[Beeschurger]

@noamax

Im pretty sure its not x14 but sure

@noamax

The problem isnt just the zoom its the seeker
U can berly get 3km lock which is far inside strela range

[noamax]

Yea it doesnt rly 6km
Maybe if u fire at a ship its 6 km but for tanks and spaa its berly 3

[Beeschurger]

might be affected by weather conditions, which fine, ive had issues locking on helis with stingers on winter maps at ranges where i would lock normally on summer maps, but they affect everything, strelas included.

[noamax]

No i used it in clear weather
Test it now in test drive
And strela has optical lock so unless ur infront of a mountian its gonna lock u from 6-5km depend on the size of the aircraft

[Beeschurger]

@noamax

And strela has optical lock so unless ur infront of a mountian its gonna lock u from 6-5km depend on the size of the aircraft

and if the missile is launched in optical lock mode, its gonna be defeated by hitting the deck

[noamax]

If u are close to the deck and u have time and even then not rly cuz it needs to see be a little bit above u
Its hella risky
Best way is to lunch ground lock and hope the strela wont move/die/intercept it

[Creastroy]

@Beeschurger

translation software

All I use was your own sentence to keep the logic.

@Beeschurger

8.7 CAS does not need targeting pod to spot 8.7 AA at 10km because the 8.7 AA will never in thousand years be able to engage it beyond its absolute range.

I thought we are talking about the whole of 8.0-11 here.

Gepard (or whichever AAA else, or eyeball mk1 vs black dot on clear sky) radar can scan everyone out, will eyeball mk1 see everyone on a complicated ground map and identify if a gepard is there out of 4km? Will there be any efficiency left when you are trying to attack at a low Pk range?

@Beeschurger

you picked

I met

@Beeschurger

worst possible plane

yep admitted about bad cas
& See before:

@Creastroy

There is a HUGE gap between CASes

Make a few OP ones, so all AAA shall be op enough regardless of the rest?
Oh, btw

@Beeschurger

A-E6 Tram

@Beeschurger

Mi-28A

@Beeschurger

G-Lynx

These Prem Packs…

@Beeschurger

Looking in general direction of the enemy spawn usually does the trick.

I though AAA skills include positioning. Like “just pull the AAA”, Just relocate.

@Beeschurger

Why

Should I seek for targets with 2.5-5deg fov mav view? Not everyone’s the few. There are 116 planes tech tree only at 10.3-11.3…

If they are weak don’t use them? Then they are weak indeed.
If they are for CAP go A2A? Try it out.

@Beeschurger

Between stinger carriers i played and swiss hunter i use

Knew it… Harriers and Hunters have the best energy retention that allow them to pull 16 stingers in a row. Not the others.

And again, back to how many planes and how many are bad topic.

@Beeschurger

might be affected by weather conditions

mavA locks 3km for the 4.0 ground sensitivity (this one’s translated, i dont have a eng version of msl chart), compared to 2.0 on mavB, but the ground lock range is the same.

Once again, guys please check about CAP

mate this feels like “Hey TD is weak in death valley” “No Howitzers are ruining the environment” things. SOME vehicles having SOME features =D

[山_田_凉]

@Beeschurger

Not enough players in game for one to hop into SPAA without giving up ground unit and most importantly positioning.

Wow, someone in a CAS thread admitted they don’t spawn SPAA.

If CAS was so OP, why do you imply that ground units are more powerful/important than aircraft? Even I don’t agree entirely with that.

[Beeschurger]

@山_田_凉

Wow, someone in a CAS thread admitted they don’t spawn SPAA.

Stop putting words in my mouth, thank you

[Beeschurger]

@Creastroy

All I use was your own sentence to keep the logic.

Yeah sure. And sentence

@Creastroy

F8F is the only thing with the capability at 4.7

is perfectly understandable, according to you?

@Creastroy

thought we are talking about the whole of 8.0-11 here.

We are, doesnt change a thing in my point. Moreso this is just an example i provided.

@Creastroy

Gepard radar can scan everyone out,

And will alert you to his presence, if your plane is equipped with RWR.

Also just because Gepard detects you with radar at 10km doesnt mean he can egage you at those ranges.

@Creastroy

will eyeball mk1 see everyone on a complicated ground map

You dont need to see everyone.

Moreso is rather easy to pick up tanks against ground due to how their models stand out.

@Creastroy

identify if a gepard is there out of 4km?

Just as Gepard can hide CAS can do several things to minimize risks posed to them by 35mm AAs.

@Creastroy

Will there be any efficiency left when you are trying to attack at a low Pk range?

I thought you said you play for fun?

@Creastroy

I met

Im damn sure you met more planes than those examples you decided to provide.

@Creastroy

These Prem Packs…

That somehow excludes them from this discussion?

@Creastroy

though AAA skills include positioning. Like “just pull the AAA”, Just relocate.

Not always possible due to map layouts.

@Creastroy

Should I seek for targets with 2.5-5deg fov mav view? Not everyone’s the few. There are 116 planes tech tree only at 10.3-11.3…

Again your translation software broke.

@Creastroy

Harriers and Hunters have the best energy retention that allow them to pull 16 stingers in a row. Not the others.

You dont need to do crazy movie like post stall manuevers to defeat a 13G missile launched from ground with no speed advantage.

@Creastroy

mavA locks 3km for the 4.0 ground sensitivity (this one’s translated, i dont have a eng version of msl chart), compared to 2.0 on mavB, but the ground lock range is the same.

I will have to look up missile chart later for this one.

@Creastroy

SOME vehicles having SOME features

No the issue of CAS runs deeper, moreso with how this topic is named.

Just because pangolin fan managed to lose enough times to eventually get enough RP to get to 9.3 to 10.3 BR range doesnt make AA in that range OP.

[UNN_Daedalos]

@Creastroy

Once again, guys please check about CAP

or not, since it actually has nothing to do with 9.3-10.3 SPAA