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ASEAN countries are not the same and should not be treated as one collective entity for subtrees. As a combined, independent ASEAN tree it makes sense to put them together, but the individual countries don’t all share the same relations to other countries, which is what matters in subtrees.
For subtrees I believe both China and Japan have ASEAN countries that fit.
For Japan Indonesia, Malaysia, the Philippines, Singapore and Thailand make very reasonable choices.
For China I can see Cambodia, Laos and Myanmar as good options. This is less than Japan, but unlike Japan China can also receive subtrees outside of ASEAN, such as Bangladesh, Pakistan, North Korea and others.
They also already have more potential on their own already, being a literal superpower with a world leading MIC.
Vietnam is a weird case, having mostly REDFOR equipment, but also not exactly good relations with China, so I didn’t place them as subtree for either nation. I don’t know enough about Brunei to place them anywhere.
Pakistan would be a great candidate to provide F-16C to China.
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Viet Nam is already a Chinese sub-tree, there is a T34 air defense on the Chinese line, and that one is Viet Nam’s
one vehicle does not constitute it being a part of one tree, turkish vehicles for instance is spread out on two tech trees, even with the phong khong t34 it is also in the soviet tree, does that make vietnam a subtree of both china and russia?
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also can we stop discussing about this topic? We’ve already expressed our concerns, i feel like people keep asking about the same questions and getting the same answer
this answer is short, concise and can answer like 90% of the asked questions already. Lets start discussing about the vehicle
Recently the Indonesian B-26 suggestion made by @Indo_Pilot was approved, feel free to check it out here
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Please stay on topic, thanks!
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also saw someone mention that Singapore apparently got m551 sheridans?
is this true? and are there other vehicles obtained like this that might not be common knowledge?
I can only find a Forum discussion about it. Seems like it was on display there (probably also offered to the SAF) but never purchased.
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i see, thats unfortunate
HD images of yesterday’s final flight for the former Indonesian president after the new president’s inauguration (planes including T-50i, F-16 and a Su-30)
source:
Twitter - “Indonesian Air Force Fighter Jets Escort the Return of the 7th President of the Republic of Indonesia to Solo”
Twitter - Formation On Route
video version:
https://twitter.com/_TNIAU/status/1848180951647653985
EDIT: photo of one of the security escort carrying two live AIM-9s, (presumably the AIM-9P5)
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a bit like a modern type 94 appearance wise
FYI, there is some news for the possible Indonesian Su-35, the deal is not cancelled, its just frozen. The reason why is because of many factors, but as weve known before, the primary one is America blocking the sale.
read (CNN Indonesia, translated):
BUT, recently we have done deals with a UAE company called E-System Solutions (ESS) which has helped with maintenance, providing equipment, as well as brokering deals with other countries such as Belarus, so its very likely these news emerging of the possible sale again is because of them
notable ESS hardware for Indonesia:
- FPV drone detector and jammer
- DART multi-purpose Rockets
- Jammer pods for the Su-30MK2
Source: https://www.linkedin.com/in/habib-boukharouba-27901b47/recent-activity/all/
personally I think the chance of it happening in the near future is quite slim, but its possible once we obtained all of our ordered jets. I dont think we’re going to stray away from the recent orders since the new minister of defence wanted to continue with the purchases in a recent interview:
interview (yes the ministry of defence upload their videos at only 360p for some reason, no I dont know why they do this)
[Answering question about defence equipment] "My task is to continue and develop what has been conducted by the [previous defence minister]."
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I dont think I’ve mentioned the Indonesian Maritime Security Agency (Bakamla), so lets highlight one of their ships
Heres the Indonesian Navy’s KRI Sutedi as well as the Indonesian Maritime Security Agency’s (A.K.A. Bakamla) KN Tanjung Datu is driving away a Chinese Coast Guard ship after the latter harassed Indonesian oil and gas tankers from the 17th till the 21st (around the new presidential inauguration) around Indonesian’s Natuna Island chain.
watch the video inside the Indonesian ship here: x.com
Fun fact, all of Bakamla’s ships is domestically made. The Tanjung Datu here is Indonesia’s one of, if not the largest, domestically made OPV (Offshore Patrol Vessel). Although its technically a “Patrol Boat”, in reality its size is comparable to a corvette or even a frigate
It is armed with the Turkish Aselsan SMASH RCWS turret fitted with the 30mm Bushmaster 2 mk44 cannon and the PINDAD sm5 machine gun as well as some water cannons. The ship also has a helipad for an NBell-412 helicopter
The ship is the primary deterrence for foreign ships in the Natuna Sea, its also quite successful in doing so as it managed to, in a single occasion, escort out approx. 31-64 fishing ships while they were accompanied by 3 CCG vessels, all of this is done before the Tanjung Datu received any actual weaponry.
read more here:
KN Tanjung Datu 1101: Frigate-like Dimensions, Coast Guard Patrol Vessel Status
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Added three new Suggestions to the List;
- (ML) F/A-18D (25X)
- (ML) CA-27 Mk.32 Sabre
- (ML) PT-91M
- (PH) OV-10M
ASEAN (TH, ML, SG, IN, PH) Air Sub-TT project and Malaysian Ground Sub-TT suggestions are still WIP.
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No. Dumbest thing you could do.
I mean, this is in response to an even dumber idea from Gaijin.
I also get where this is coming from. If Gaijin really sees such a need for a Chinese subtree, and somehow Pakistan, Bangladesh and (if they decide against a combined tree) North Korea aren’t good enough for them, and they can’t find any other nations outside of ASEAN, then they can still limit their ASEAN picks to countries that are actually reasonable for China rather than all of them. Myanmar, Laos and Cambodia seem to fit this bill pretty well, only Vietnam is a bit odd.
Sure, not a perfect solution, but considering the situation this this was thought up in it is decent.
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North Korea shouldn’t ever be part of the Taiwanese/Chinese tree.
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They are a much better fitting subtree than Singapore is for China, though arguably that is not a chanllenge at all.
I hope for a united Korean tree instead still though, which is why I listed them only after Paksitan and Bangladesh and added the disclaimer.
The whole point being that even outside ASEAN China has options in subtrees, so that they really shouldn’t get all of ASEAN and especially not the most trusted NATO ally in the region cleared for F-35s.
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Once again, I do not want to see any of those nations under China for any reason. Just like a Unified Korea, putting any of those countries in China would be very controversial. Gaijin would be in a political dilemma. If they do add them to China->Controversy, if they don’t->No controversy. That anyone cares for. But parts of the community would claim “Copy pasta”
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most of us dont want that either
the main point is this, if China really needs a sub-tree, then it first should be the south Asian countries, if it doesnt suffice, then as a last resort the ASEAN countries would be split, but nowhere should Singapore be in that list of possibility.
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