Sons of Attila - Rumor Round-Up and Discussion (Part 2)

So I will agree here that I was wrong initially, I did not know we sold AIM-9Ms to Taiwan in 2002. I would like to see the source of that first purchase list since anything I can find on an AIM-9M sale to Taiwan was in 2002, which if you had read further into my comments about I said that later on the United States sold more advanced weapon systems including AAMs. But as of right now the in game Taiwanese F-16A Block 20 wouldn’t have M’s, and by the time we roll around to that period, it would have AMRAAMs and the Chinese tree will have China’s own aircraft and armament.

Here is everything we sold to Taiwan from 1990 to 2011. This was from a Congressional Research Service report to Congress. And before anyone freaks out, this is found on their website:

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Don’t worry about that. The reason XF-2B specifically is mentioned is because it (the second XF-2B to be precise) was used for the early weaponst tests and was the first fitted with a radar. The others were only later outfitted with such systems. If we want an XF-2 to stay limited to early armament such as 7F/M, 9L and AAM-3 as it would have had in the earlier testing stages this is an aircraft that could do so while staying historical.

The XF-2As only later received radar and weapons, and would end up as equals to the F-2 even in their earliest configuration unless permanently limited. The XF-2B could receive it’s full (early) weaponry, while still retaining a lower BR that a future production F-2.

The B variant would have also made the turn performance increase from the F-16s less severe, while making it even slower. This could help balance the two additional SARH AAMs compared to other contemporary aircraft.

Meanwhile the XF-2s also later tested systems that would make them interesting additions improving on the production F-2s with experimental systems that didn’t end up being adopted. So they would still have a place in game.

So you are absolutely right about the XF-2A being armed, the XF-2B is just closer to the F-16As.

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Here’s a English source to back you up as well.

“Modern Taiwanese Air power” by Roy Choo and Peter Ho

Right, but now we’re at F-16Cs with AIM-9Ms, so really the only big question is what to do with AESA.

I’m more of a fan of XF-2A with 4 IR + 2 or 4 SARH for the time being, which would be balanced (again depending on how the radar is handled).

That being said, at this point F-2 itself is equally likely too as the only reason to go for the XF-2A would be to justify nerfing or experimenting with the AESA radar implementation. So maybe XF-2A itself might be an event vehicle.

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Like I said, I am more than willing to admit when I am wrong, I am just going off of our actual sales records to Taiwan, I am doing my best to find out if the M’s were delivered with it. If they were, then sure bump the Block 20 to 12.3 and give it the M’s.

Well, the XF-2B would have been fitting then, now you are absolutely right and we are getting closer to proper (X)F-2As.

But I still think the XF-2Bs could make for good squadron/event vehicles, especially the one with a copyright strike in the back seat.

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XF-2B R2D2
Suggestion by @WreckingAres283 :
Mitsubishi F-2B ADTW «63-8102» - Better than Reagan´s and JASDFs R2-D2!

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Here’s something from the Taiwanese archives.
It talks about test firing the AIM-9M in 1993 (1982 in ROC years). It’s just the description, it hasn’t been put online/need permission.

That checks out, I stand corrected. Thank you to the three of you.

Side note: I may be behind the curve, what is the Yingyang aircraft referenced on that document?

Thanks Trigger :D
Your datum is useful it shows how it fool that dont give aim9m to F16blk20

I’m thinking it might be the F-CK-1 but I’m not really sure.

yes it seens F-CK-1 Ching-kuo
here’s the datum of 鷹揚
“ 鷹揚計畫:
1981年航發中心展開經國號戰機前身之高性能戰鬥攔截機原型研發工作,機型代號初取為「FX」,為求保密並取名為「鷹揚」。航發中心此時並成立鷹揚計劃辦公室。
1982年國防部指示鷹揚戰機之總體性能應不遜於F-16為原則,且以奇異 J79渦輪噴射引擎為動力。當年行政院自立小組並決議進行研製戰機,航發中心此年即成立鷹揚戰機研造處為研發計畫作準備。
1983年航發中心改隸國防部中山科學研究院,鷹揚計劃與雲漢、天箭(天雷)、天翔(天劍)等計畫合併成立安翔計畫。

  • 鷹揚計畫主持人:彭元熙
  • 鷹揚計畫總工程師:邢有光
  • 鷹揚計畫作業室主任:李適彰
  • 鷹揚計畫管理組長:祝志太”
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It’s okay if you think about it, it’s your thought.

What you propose is what I was fighting for yesterday. You should review the previous conversation.

Basically, I don’t understand why we don’t get the KF-41, but UK gets the T-90.

In other words, I don’t understand why the UK cannot receive M1 AIM, but it can receive T-90 Brishma.

I already said what I had to say about this. I finish here.

DOUBLE STANDARD

A simple fact: when there are many people against you, you’d better reflect on whether you’re doing something wrong.

This week for sure, on Tuesday imo ;)
PS can’t wait to return to Italian early ranks and open new Hungarian additions, though I also hope they’ll change few things before update goes live, like return of Hungarian Hinds into its own line and rework of Italian Bluewater TT, destroyers placement on the dev-server is kinda mess and illogical.
https://forum.warthunder.com/t/roadmap-changes-grouping-vehicles-rank-changes-and-improvements-to-premium-vehicles-dev-server-feedback/22131/60

They don’t planned to make additional armor for pso. Was an official answer.

Fair enough! Still a neat jet.

Anyways, anyone have any leaks/mines for the upcoming crafting event?

Also, how does the “buying rewards” go for the crafting event? Am on console and no time to play but kinda wanna know what the main air prize would cost and how to get it. Some other events you simply buy 8 to 10 999GE stars.
Hope no one thinks bad of it. Sometimes there’s great vehicles but between work and family life I have no time to grind those events!

Except it doesn’t. The Mk7 wasn’t adopted by any trees in game. Hungary is in the game.

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They said it’s not planned, just like they said it’s not planned for the AIM-9M to come.

And the KF-41 is German.

Okay then, what’s your justification for these?

  • SK105 (France)

  • Mi28A (Sweden)

  • AHS (Sweden)

Not used by their nation, not made by their nation, service trees already in game. So why should these trees get them?

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