Something needs to be done about 8.3 - 9.0 SPAA [Poll]

Panthers and T-34-85 are not that rare

This is just dishonest, we have discussed this before im certain. Gepards and core cant hit planes outside 2km effectively, unless the plane doesn’t do anything to dodge, its untouchable. The gepards give away their position and the CAS with CCIP or even some have Mavs or nords just swoop down and CAS from 3km away or more.

I also chose not to mention this in my original post but this is also an issue; there are usually not enough planes to actually shoot. This is not really fixable, you can not increase the amount of CAS without normal ground units just straight up being curb-stomped.

This is why i believe its not a good idea to straight up remove ground belts from SPAA, as they have in fact also been tested and proved to be effective IRL, there is a reason they exist. Although i agree APHE does need to be nerfed before it can be balanced.

Just force them to use stock belts if they have greater than 65mm pen.

That way it’s not instantly free kills because it’s 1 HE, then 1 APHE.

Me: first spawns Gepard, itpsv, xm246, (ZA-35 If I had it), gets nuke in sub 4 mins. balanced!

And please tell me what K/D You have in that vehicles and how many battles?

There goes your arbitrary standards. All of those I just mentioned are positive.

Most have a 1.5 kd or higher.
Itpsv is about a 2.25 kd
Xm246 I have a 3.0 kd.

Don’t even need 100 games in them, they’re all way too good. That’s why they should be forced to stock belts only.

Compared to the Soviet or Italian spaa, I’m actually negative or barely positive in those spaa.

Ground target K/D is ~1.87, which admittedly is quite impressive

Do you mean the SIDAM? As you probably know, the stock grind is extremely painful on that one. APDS is a tier 4 mod and until then you only have HE. But after that it’s not so bad. I’m guessing you didn’t play enough games to offset the incredibly poor anti-tank performance from the stock grind.

In autocannon spammers, I find the T95 easier to delete than I do the Jumbo.

He’s a troll, I just put him on ignore these days.

Give me a WZ305 over the Gepard and others, even without radar, for killing air at long range.

Add Flakpanzer 341 to list of (okay, almost sub-4min if I didn’t stop to cap a point and have a chat) nukes:

I noted down the enemy tanks and and the aspect you destroyed them from:

Charioteer (side)
M-51 (front)
Ratel 90 (side)
M41 (side)
Charioteer (rear)
M56 (side)
M18 (side)
Ratel (side)
T34 (side)
M56 (side)

You could’ve done this with the pre-buff Flakpanzer 341, and most other SPAA probably. The M-51 and T34 being the only ones with armor. It was a result of good strategy on your part (well played) and the enemy playing into your hands with vehicle choice and not watching their sides

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Proxy easily beats out most other SPAA even if they have radar, especially the WZ305. Sgt York is also quite goofy and has the bonus of being radar guided and tracerless. I would definetly take the WZ305 over a gepard, sadly i haven’t grinded out china yet tho

A Gepard can always know you’re there, but you can only know a Gepard is there if he’s firing, sitting in pain sight, or you’re one of the few 8.3s to get RWR.

The only reason Gepards are still dying is because SPAA mains lack the mental capacity to move 10ft when they see an F-84F drop a bomb whilst flying directly at em.

This can be solved extremely simply. Just make CAS actually viable. People don’t spawn CAS at 8.3 because it’s wildly underpowered.

As much as I’d love to see APHE nerfs, I doubt Gajin has any desire in buffing Britain. 8.3+ is in desperate need of decompression, and I think the Gepards are the perfect place to start. In an ideal setting, the Gepards would be moved to 9.7, and all other vehicles would be moved up to match.

Why 9.7 specifically

Okay have you considered, maybe, flying in valleys and dips, or flying at more than 5k meters in altitude if its a flat map. And no, you can know where SPAAs are quite cosistently. LTs can spot them and otherwise you can assume they’re in their spawn (at lest the ones actively trying to engage air with their radar on) due to the fact that they’re very exposed to ground fire otherwise. also its not very easy to tell there is a bomb dropped on you if there are more than one thing engaging you, which happens more than you may realise.

Ah yes give them 10km missiles or all 8.0+ jets 10km CCIP, even unhistorically. /j

CAS is definitely viable at this BR, its just not as much as it is at 6.7 - 7.7, where it curb stomps anything. You’re experiencing what is referred to as balance, SPAA can engage CAS effectively (for the most part, and actually know where it is and if its there in the first place) and most CAS has measures to engage relatively safely. I’m sorry, its just a skill issue.

Yes it is in need of decompression, wholeheartedly agree… However;

Lol, Lmao even.
You realise moving up is only going to compress further (the very thing we both agree is bad), shoving things up fixes nothing. and wanting the Gepard moved up this much only proves you have a some sort of skill issue, I’m sorry. The Gepard is defenceless against any CAS at this BR.

You have played Gepards so you should know how bad they are at killing things beyond 2.5km, you’re being disingenuous.