They’d pretty much cease being good SPAAs for those BRs.
I think they should just make <40mm APHE act like realistic APHE shells (conical fragmentation instead of spherical to stop cupola shots) and nullify their penetration when ricochets (to stop trap shots).
SPAA mains are just biased.
Its not even shot traps its also stupid angle pen…
And effectively you have a light tank with 70sp
Those type, yes after this br you have stinger and after this you have radar guided missiles
Time wise I do agree a bit. At least 12 at night my time, all the Asian cheaters hop on and you notice a complete turn of how the game is. Suddenly you get hit sniper through spots you’d never be able to see, through 17 bushes, 6 trees etc.
Funniest thing is I keep getting “thank you for your report we took action” after reporting them.
Yeah… Against ground… Theyre great against ground I agree, although i wouldnt really move them up tbh. They`re just mediocre at best against air, nowhere near 9.7 worthy as you claim
Za35 is fine where it is, was a little too spicy at 8.3. 8.7 is a decent placement, doesnt get APDS, and has a lower ammo count (460 total as apposed to the gepards 680 total). Leopards suprisingly comfortably resist it frontally, and leopard isnt exactly heralded for its armour.
The proxy from what i know isnt really effective beyond 5km due to accuracy problems too, just make the belt have one traces and it will balance out quite nicely, i can agree maybe for 9.3 but CAS way out ranges it at 10.0 with some having easily 10km ordinance
Says the guy who wants to move an almost viable SPAA making the best option at the BR range to use a 7.3 SPAA so he can CAS with impunity. Keep in mind some nations dont have anything between like 5.3 and 8.3 to begin with. The gepard will not move up to 9.7 just because you dont know how to use your WASD keys to dodge a very obvious laser beam. And will not move up to 9.7 because it can melt light tanks which it historically can do (yes there are still balance issues with the Gepard, but compressing higher BRs more is not the way to go)
I’m sorry, but if you’re somehow failing to make use of a 1980s SPAA with a lead indicator fighting 1940s and 50s subsonics, most of which barely exceed 500mph and have no ballistics computers, then you’re just simply bad at Warthunder.
The only planes that have an actually fair fight against a Gepard without being a complete 1.0 uptier are the F-84F, SAAB-105, A-4B, and the Bullpup buccaneer.
I’m sorry but if you’re somehow failing to dodge a laser beam that takes 3 business days to reach you without reacting, that one is on you. If you fail to kill it from outside its effective engagement distance, thats on you.
You said it yourself with these, “fair fight” and most nations have a variant of these, or something equal or better at 8.7
(Edit; just checked and only USSR, China, and Isreal dont have viable CCIP or AGM CAS at 8.3 - 8.7. Even then you can still climb and drop, it takes more skill sure, but its still just lining up your nose and pressing space bar.)
look, just a friendly warning, youre talking to one of the most well known trolls on this forum.
Pangolin was caught lying multiple times, was caught contradicting himself, neither global nor his stats support his claims, but that doesnt stop him. If you prove him wrong, he will call you CAS hater and what not, or straight up conjure his own reality or gaslight you or simply move the goalpost.
Its best to block him, and dont talk to him ever again. Id advise to petition to mods to perma ban him, but everyones opinion needs to be respected and his ragebaiting apparently does not break any forum rules.
Giving spaa HE only would mean the only thing worth shooting at would be the occaissional plane, and the spaa, since it is defenseless, would have to stay well back of the battle.
No one would play an spaa like that. CAS would run amok to a greater extent that they already do.
I stand by my selection of “you suck” in the poll.
And so those planes should be the lowest that the Gepard ever sees.
0 counter argument, just copy paste cope.
The worst part is your copy paste argument only works one way cause you’re saying the Gepards are weak, but at the same time talking to a well below average player who has an 8 k/d against air with it
Completely forgetting the Scimitar lol.
Good SPAA players usually have little to no chance against good bullpup players tbh.
Though it depends on the aircraft. A-4B is quite slow so it takes some time for it to gain altitude and strike. Loses too much speed because it’s a delta wing aircraft aswell.
ya no.
sure the jumbo would have less firepower which would mean it would do worse and be brought down, but youre viewing this solely in a vacuum.
if aphe is nerfed across the board, then OTHER vehicles would be effected as well meaning those that fight jumbos will have a harder time killing them, because the few weakspots they can use wont kill them, just cripple them. meaning the jumbo firepower would decrease but its armour increases and we just entered the zero syndrome. it cant go down because its armour is too good but its firepower is to weak to remain at the same br. same with the zero, its maneuverability is too good to stay at low brs but its speed is so poor it cant deal with higher br planes. the maus also had this same problem, its armour was to good for lower br vehicles to deal with, but its speed was so poor it couldnt deal with higher tier vehicles. it sat in a weird spot where it was both completely overpowered and completely helpless in a fight.
This is one of the reasons why the aphe changes never made much sense. also the fact we couldve just gotten hvap and solid shot fixed/buffed and most people would stop complaining about how strong aphe is.
Either way, my point still stands that AGMs and ballistics computers are required to properly counter Gepard, but only a handful of planes it sees actually has em.
yup this is the problem make it either spaa only, and make them at their rb range where they are now or let them be at the br range where most light tanks are… and then remove apit(which is aphe) from the ammo belt. 40(60 for sidam) apds is fine ig if its not infintively refillable with the ammo pack rn. so you wont see spaa spam like it is now for ground kills etc…
i counter gepards all of the time in my chosen cas plane.
the a32a… seems like a skill issue on your end, heck i am more afraid of zsu23s then gepards.
Not sure about that.
The ZSU-23-4 is much more scary at close range, but Gepard has much better long-range performance.
You’re talking about the A32A, which is a pretty fast 9.0 CAS aircraft with CCIP for both bombs and rockets. I think it should be relatively easy for you.
I think CCIP bomb aircraft and bullpup aircraft should be equal or slightly higher than Gepard and its equivalences. They shouldn’t be any lower.
That being said, stuff like the A-4H is quite abysmal against good Gepard players since CCRP bombing takes time and effort for it to work properly – something that the Gepard (if he notices) can just avoid by simply moving… and yet the A-4H is 8.3 (same BR as the Gepard).
I mean those aircraft with more performance do bully 10.ish spaa if done right