Something needs to be done about 8.3 - 9.0 SPAA [Poll]

No, based on the overall statistics which are objective, but yes might not be overall accurate to what you die in. Im more inclined to use that than “source trust me bro” for your supposed 8 K/D. And if its so vehemently broken as you suggest how come i dont see many other people complaining about it? Pretty much you and a couple others, no more.

Although him and I have had some disagreements in the past, i base my stance on what i perceive, which is subjective yes, to be relatively objectively correct. I dont base my stance on where Alvis stands on the matter, thats idiotic.

Fairly, not a veteran by most means, but I’ve been here a little while, since 2024 ish. I know some of Pangolins controversial takes to say the least, but i dont like to do personal attacks since its childish.

Although i do agree to some extent, the bigger issue is compression, 7.3 jets yes will struggle a little with SPAA, but they’re still fairly mobile and can drop their bombs quite comfortably from 4km away and still nab kills. However, like i tried to explain already moving thins up every time there is imbalance does not fix compression, only pushes it further up the ladder.

Last i heard in this thread i believe actually, someone said overpressure stack on that thing had been patched, but ig take it with a grain of salt or two,

pretty sure they fixed it cuz I can’t do it when i tried

The issue i think is perspective. I wouldn’t call the gepard bad, but its not really great by any means, just finally competitive. So if you compare it to 6.3 CAS of course its going to seem like a dream machine, but in reality its just that it can finally compete against air.

The guns have horrible accuracy beyond about 1.5km and make it laughably obvious where the gepard is. Damage is surprisingly bad for the caliber, its inconsistent and sometimes will just “hit” targets. The gepard can hold its own, but its nothing beyond just decent against it own bracket, in a full downtier it does perform quite nicely yes, but its of course the reverse in a full uptier.

Eidt: sorry for spam, ill try gather my responses better forward

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2019 / 2018 Jumbo was 5.0/ 5.3. Different environment where you may have faced easier opponents.

It’s not 6.0 because it’s barely viable at 5.7 when you consider the number of 6.3 / 6.7 matches you end up being at( it can face the Tiger II H in a full uptier for some reason lol)

Sorry but this is a skill issue
Thos spaa are peper full of ammo how hard is it to kill them?

For every spaa that kills me i kill 10

Your reply was already refuted before you hit post.
I understood your concerns though.

Edit removed language I deemed rude.

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Fair enough.
I can’t say 2 K/D is that good, though I’m not sure what your average performance is at that BR… let alone with such a small sample size.

Again, the jumbo (even when exploiting the cupola weakspots of some tanks) isn’t 6.0 because it isn’t all that great at 5.7 to begin with.

I had played the jumbo when it was 5.7 too and I can’t understand why it can face Tiger IIs, let alone in a 0.7 BR uptier if you’re implying that it should be 6.0. I had a similar K/D as you, which is quite underwhelming compared to the other tanks I have been playing around that BR.

Because certain CCs couldn’t imagine having to aim so they used their communities to skew the vote in their favor*

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It would nerf all APHE slingers, which can affect some tanks more than others…
There would probably need a relatively large restructure of mid-tier and low-tier vehicles, and I’m not quite sure how Gaijin would handle it.

To fix the SPAA APHE slinger problem, I think the APHE nerf can be implemented for APHE calibers of less than 40mm, which would mostly just affect SPAAs, which is the intended target.

They could start by moving the jumbos down since they’d no longer be stabilized one shot killers

Most of the time (from my experience), you often need more than one shot (often two or three) to kill most things in front aspect (especially if you’re going for cupolas and / or front-plate shots with APCR).
For side-aspect shots, though, I agree with you.

That being said, I agree that it should be moved down to 5.3… maybe 5.0 if the change is that bad for it.

The Gepards, and especially the Za-35, have been complained about for years. It’s not like there’s some small portion of the WT community that thinks the Gepards are too strong, it’s pretty much everyone who reaches 8.3.

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I dont know whats so hard to understand there is something wrong with the Shells

They used to shred things from the side and might even get a Commander view over pressure

But currently you can just spray a t55 from the Front and somehow it just blows up after a while
With the hit view showing all kind of unexplainable things

And i shot a m48super with the amx-30dca and shot it around the gun breach and it did just blow up
Like how, i was nowhere near the turret ring or Commander

That shit need to be fixed and the spaa situation should mostly fix itself

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ITPSV Leopard (ultra fast 35mm APHE spammer) and now XM246 (ultra tanky 35mm APHE spammer) too.

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Just the cassis should make this tank 10.0(ITPSV)

There is pretty much no spaa which isnt camplained about, the only apds rounds I understand is when the he self destroy themself at around 2km range

I think that’s a little too much 😅

Keep in mind the hull armour is effectively meaningless when you can always shoot the large, and pretty weak turret armour.

The mobility is the only benefit over the other SPAAs, which isn’t too far off the ZA-35.

Za-35 can also be 9.3/9.7 and the xm247 can be 10.0 with the proxy fuze shell and the bugged saphei shell