Something needs to be done about 8.3 - 9.0 SPAA [Poll]

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Even no APHE, these SPAA still needs move up, for those early jets, No CCIP, NO ATGM, just HAVR or 1000lb bombs which even could take same amount as WWII planes? Spend 700SP for suiside dive is pretty funny

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ya no, the aphe wouldnt change nuke shells because those shells have so much explosive mass they delete the crew, period.

all this would do would nerf aphe shells that have very little aphe, you know the shells no one talks about because they suck thanks to their lack of filler. all this change wouldve done was make already bad shells worse, and already broken shells, nothing because they would still be broken.

and this skips over the fact gaijin doesnt have a good track record when changing over game mechanics, case in point shell shatter is still broken, volumetric bricks itself every update and is still buggy at times, and the game rendering system for ground mapping while in the air is still off by hundreds of meters. why do people think gaijin wouldve pulled this off successfully and not just break the game even more so? and for what, so the p40 wont kill you in one shot from the side but the tiger 1h still deletes you if the shell just connects correctly?

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actually this is incorrect, to a degree, of course some people will say the m26 is the worst 6.7 but theyre bad, so we dont listen to them.

instead the problem with the m26 is the fact at 6.7 there is no reason to pick it up over other American 6.7 tanks for a lineup. there are just better options you choose from to fill the same role. mostly because the t26e5 is that broken. and the fact the m26e1 is also 6.7 so it makes even less sense to bring, again not because its bad, but because there is better options. think of it like the panther g, at 6.0 you have a tiger 1h, 3 panthers, and 2 tds. the panther A fills the role of a forward pusher, while the panther f fills the role of support tank for uptiers, while the panther g, the best armoured of the bunch, doesnt have anything stands out that actually puts it over the other 2, so it constantly gets dropped for better options. however you dont see people asking for the panther g to be moved down, because its not so bad at 6.0 it needs help, just that there are much better options to choose from.

I’ve spaded the Sidam… it has 6mm pen HE, and only gets 40 rounds of APDS.

M247 can also over pressure T-72s frontally by maguc

What makes you believe 100 games is necessary?

My T58 the op tank you claimed would be balanced, I have a 4.268 kd in right now. And, have a little over 100 games

Bigger the number, more representative it is when it comes to variety of maps, teams, modes and B.R. You are going to face.

100 is just a symbolic number out of back as there always has to be one

I recorded 100 games in order to determine the B.R. placement and W/R of 5.7 russia set up but the biggest conclusion is that server and time of day/week plays a big role same with server

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Well these SPAA are the rapid auto-cannons META now. Sure you got the fox and xm800T, but they are not good anymore. These SPAA are way better and there isnt a light tank around 8.3 that can match it.

When I play xm246, I normally face HE slinger, uptiered Russian heavies, light tanks, medium tanks, and enemy SPAA that is doing the same thing I am and I can kill all of these targets I come across no problem

Against guided munition like bullpups, you are gona die my guy. Back when the A4E Early was 8.7 in GRB I smoke every single gepard or any 8.3 AA for that matter, its not even fair. Doesnt matter if they move or not.

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Yea, I’d say its “good” not “OP”. The 35mm has great velocity and fire rate, an amazing gun. But it isnt OP by any means against air target because it doesnt have proxy shell or anything special so turning is enough to dodge it.

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No, based on the overall statistics which are objective, but yes might not be overall accurate to what you die in. Im more inclined to use that than “source trust me bro” for your supposed 8 K/D. And if its so vehemently broken as you suggest how come i dont see many other people complaining about it? Pretty much you and a couple others, no more.

Although him and I have had some disagreements in the past, i base my stance on what i perceive, which is subjective yes, to be relatively objectively correct. I dont base my stance on where Alvis stands on the matter, thats idiotic.

Fairly, not a veteran by most means, but I’ve been here a little while, since 2024 ish. I know some of Pangolins controversial takes to say the least, but i dont like to do personal attacks since its childish.

Although i do agree to some extent, the bigger issue is compression, 7.3 jets yes will struggle a little with SPAA, but they’re still fairly mobile and can drop their bombs quite comfortably from 4km away and still nab kills. However, like i tried to explain already moving thins up every time there is imbalance does not fix compression, only pushes it further up the ladder.

Last i heard in this thread i believe actually, someone said overpressure stack on that thing had been patched, but ig take it with a grain of salt or two,

pretty sure they fixed it cuz I can’t do it when i tried

The issue i think is perspective. I wouldn’t call the gepard bad, but its not really great by any means, just finally competitive. So if you compare it to 6.3 CAS of course its going to seem like a dream machine, but in reality its just that it can finally compete against air.

The guns have horrible accuracy beyond about 1.5km and make it laughably obvious where the gepard is. Damage is surprisingly bad for the caliber, its inconsistent and sometimes will just “hit” targets. The gepard can hold its own, but its nothing beyond just decent against it own bracket, in a full downtier it does perform quite nicely yes, but its of course the reverse in a full uptier.

Eidt: sorry for spam, ill try gather my responses better forward

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2019 / 2018 Jumbo was 5.0/ 5.3. Different environment where you may have faced easier opponents.

It’s not 6.0 because it’s barely viable at 5.7 when you consider the number of 6.3 / 6.7 matches you end up being at( it can face the Tiger II H in a full uptier for some reason lol)

Sorry but this is a skill issue
Thos spaa are peper full of ammo how hard is it to kill them?

For every spaa that kills me i kill 10

Your reply was already refuted before you hit post.
I understood your concerns though.

Edit removed language I deemed rude.

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Fair enough.
I can’t say 2 K/D is that good, though I’m not sure what your average performance is at that BR… let alone with such a small sample size.

Again, the jumbo (even when exploiting the cupola weakspots of some tanks) isn’t 6.0 because it isn’t all that great at 5.7 to begin with.

I had played the jumbo when it was 5.7 too and I can’t understand why it can face Tiger IIs, let alone in a 0.7 BR uptier if you’re implying that it should be 6.0. I had a similar K/D as you, which is quite underwhelming compared to the other tanks I have been playing around that BR.