Solution to One-Death-Leavers / One-Death-Quitters Problem

[An_Pigeon]

@EddieVanHalo

What about a nice line up of premiums like you have vs a line up of shite? Like a poker hand.Are you going to call or pass or leave

What does it matter if ive got premiums? the premiums are usually either on par or worse than their TT counterparts.
Also I got the premiums from punting event vehicles so its not as if its impossible to get them, (yes im aware it requires time and thus for some its incredibly difficult)

@EddieVanHalo

So you come out with a line of fully modded tanks and a few premiums and I am crawling along in a WW2 dinosaur at walking speed with no means of repair and sub standard ammo.

What are you even on about? mate almost all the tanks I actively use are spaded or near enough to spaded, Them being premium or not makes no difference in the gameplay, what does make a difference is the spaded TT tanks that roll with a prem. Or are you suggesting a premium has some unfair advantage?

@EddieVanHalo

I was playing the French M4 and it was the only tank I had in the line up. It’s a bit of a shitter with no armour and a solid shot so it’s hull down and hope for an downtier.

why use a tank if its the only one you have in a lineup ? its detrimental to your own gameplay loop.
(excuse the lorraine got it from a box ages ago)

I actively use that lineup man, its quite enjoyable especially that 202 pen solid shot at 5.0 / 5.3

@EddieVanHalo

I can do well on some maps where I can use the advantages but on some maps it not even worth bothering with and no I am not going to fill the line up with 5BR stuff when I am already a BR below as it is.So one example of why I might f*** off after one. I only have one.

Then build a full lineup aroudn the tank, dont use a tank above the others if you arent willing to bring the 4.0s into a 5.0 game xD thats an issue caused solely by your choices

@EddieVanHalo

Currently my whole line up of USA is a load of unmodded turd where I don’t even have a fire extinguisher and cant repair.At 6.7 I have 5.7 CAS at best and I can hear f****** mini guns firing on the opposition team.It dog poo mate,stick it.

Again that is a you issue man.

Thats my 6.7 lineup for america, which i just spaded last week! the tanks when stock while difficult are not impossible to use at all. same as all tanks, stock sucks cheeks-

@EddieVanHalo

If I want to mod one tank at a time I will.If I am in an unmodded turd in the BR above I will leave.

thats your choice but its detrimental to how long it takes to actively spade them.
you can spade more tanks at once spawning them in.
Or play the BR bracket below until you make more of a lineup.

@EddieVanHalo

If that is an issue then take it up with Gaijin

An Pigeon:

I have as many others have.

@EddieVanHalo

I only used one life ,I just happened to live longer but I left before the end.
The other poor sods were littered around the spawn zone ,a fine reward for playing to your rules.

Again you are ignoring what I’ve said, if the games that lost, then leave, but I highly doubt you’re team got folded like that due to the lack of player skill, that usually only happens when the team is plagued with early leavers.

@EddieVanHalo

Many games don’t lend themselves to PVP and to be honest all other humans do is act like dicks and ruin them compared to the solo games.

That literally does not prove that " However to say many online games now are virtually empty is a bit of a stretch man." Thats just you stating that games dont lend themselves to PVP , you fired out an insidiously vague statement with no merit, facts, or even substance to back it up and act like it’s a valid point in contribution to the topic of ODLing.

@EddieVanHalo

My point is you can’t do anything about how other people play and all that whining has done to War Thunder is see redline narrow maps,

The whining here was to remove them, ive yet to find someone advocating for those maps at all.

@EddieVanHalo

emoval of all cover/trees/bushe

The removal of what ?
The maps got changed due to hyper abusive spots that could literally lead to firing into one spawn to another, from one side of the map only.
The removal of bushes? or trees? never seen that man.
Theres genuine complaints about ULQ abusers as well here n there if thats where youre going with that.

@EddieVanHalo

I can’t stop stupid people painting their tanks bright colours and covering them in anime pillows can I ? I have to go with it.That is PVP gaming.It’s not about the individual.Solo gaming is there for that.

Can turn the stuff off so its only historical, as I had it switched on for a bit and it did my box in seeing bright pink tanks.

Turn it off and you see the odd body pillow (which I personally find ridiculous).

@EddieVanHalo

Not to mention flooding the game with close range artillery

No idea the corolation between the forums and adding the stupidly under BRd arty pieces comes from, though I can agree they are ridiculous. as they are in no world designed for combat in such a manner.

[SadLamer]

@EddieVanHalo

I was playing the French M4 and it was the only tank I had in the line up. It’s a bit of a shitter with no armour and a solid shot so it’s hull down and hope for an downtier.

If you’re talking about the AMX M4, you need to re-evaluate your reality - That thing is freaking amazing!
It’s one of the best tanks at that BR in the entire game.

[EddieVanHalo-live]

@An_Pigeon

What does it matter if ive got premiums? the premiums are usually either on par or worse than their TT counterparts.
Also I got the premiums from punting event vehicles so its not as if its impossible to get them, (yes im aware it requires time and thus for some its incredibly difficult)

I can see why people don’t think English is your main language.I clearly said that running premiums is not like running a set of completely unmodded new vehicles.
Who wants to play a full set of crap with No HP or solid shot especially in an uptier.
Who want to play a lightly armoured vehicle in a city maze or narrow front to front map? All reasons for ODL. All the games fault not the player.

@An_Pigeon

What are you even on about?

Again,do you speak English? Let me simplify it for you. This like talking to somebody from Stoke. I have no intention of playing more than one unmodded vehicle at a time.

@An_Pigeon

why use a tank if its the only one you have in a lineup ?

Because it’s the only tank at that BR in that line up you pillock.

I have no intention of playing a single single 7BR tank at 8 BR with a collection of 6BR tanks ,hence ODL. Not that hard to understand mate.

@An_Pigeon

Again that is a you issue man.

We all have our “Me” issues that is the very point we are all trying to hammer into your thick skull buddy.

@An_Pigeon

stock sucks

It does and its Gaijin providing one of its many reasons to run one and done.

@An_Pigeon

thats your choice

Penny dropping finally?

@An_Pigeon

@EddieVanHalo

If that is an issue then take it up with Gaijin

An Pigeon:

I have as many others have.

You have issue which you deal with your way ,other have issues which they resolve by leaving after one or even just leaving.

@An_Pigeon

Again you are ignoring what I’ve said, if the games that lost, then leave

A player with thousands of games knows when a game is over .A good player can tell when there is a cheat present,another reason to do one.So many reasons and that is your problem in trying to force players to play all their lives.

I ODL more now than I have ever done in the last four years because of the game not me or my mentality.

@An_Pigeon

@EddieVanHalo

Many games don’t lend themselves to PVP and to be honest all other humans do is act like dicks and ruin them compared to the solo games.

That literally does not prove that " However to say many online games now are virtually empty is a bit of a stretch man." Thats just you stating that games dont lend themselves to PVP , you fired out an insidiously vague statement with no merit, facts, or even substance to back it up and act like it’s a valid point in contribution to the topic of ODLing.

Again your poor grasp of understanding English lets you down. PVP brings a human element to the game and that human element is what annoys you.You are upset by other people having the freedom to do what they want.

@An_Pigeon

@EddieVanHalo

emoval of all cover/trees/bushe

The removal of what ?

I just said what

I take it you are new to this forum if you have no concept of what really riles people on here. Actually your lack of forum knowledge is probably why you have no concept of why players ODL. Are seriously unaware of the anger the destruction of maps has caused? Have you really no idea of the frustration removing all the bushes caused ,how people hate playing the game on a Pool table? Are you going to tell me you are unaware of the frustration CAS causes at high tier?

@An_Pigeon

No idea

Yeah ,Exactly ,No Idea mate.Says it all.

I suggest you familarise yourself with the forum and actually do some research into way so many quit early.

I dont mean to be rude you are just hard work.

[EddieVanHalo-live]

@SadLamer

If you’re talking about the AMX M4, you need to re-evaluate your reality - That thing is freaking amazing!
It’s one of the best tanks at that BR in the entire game.

It might be when its fully modded, mine isn’t and after a number of games and kills ,still isn’t. It has tin foil for armour and is only freaking (honestly did you really say freaking, like Dr Evil? ) on certain maps and a liability on others.It also has Solid shot.At 6.7? Its a great down tier bully, again on certain maps but that’s it so far.If it can hull down and snipe great ,if not…

[An_Pigeon]

@EddieVanHalo

It might be when its fully modded, mine isn’t and after a number of games and kills ,still isn’t. It has tin foil for armour and is only freaking (honestly did you really say freaking, like Dr Evil? ) on certain maps and a liability on others.It also has Solid shot.At 6.7? Its a great down tier bully, again on certain maps but that’s it so far.If it can hull down and snipe great ,if not…

Solid shot while modelled wrong, and APHE is overperforming in this game is no small joke, the solid shot on the French tanks is pretty damn good TBH 85 pen at a 60 degree slope is potent.
While he did say freaking like a twonk, the Amx M4 is an absolutely potent tank at its BR one that im about to start spading actually.

French tanks thats their thing but, dont rely on armour bar maybe for the somau SM (which i dont have so dont quote me on how potent its armour is now adays)

[EddieVanHalo-live]

@An_Pigeon

You insult my ability to understand English but then take this right out of context and try say that Im unfimiliar with the forum.

For all the backwards and forwards I can only react to your ability to understand what anybody is saying to you. So many people have given you so many reasons why people are quitting in disgust at this game after one life especially at Top Tier and you still say it’s the players not the game.
People are voting with their feet so to speak, that says it all.

You have actually agreed with me on a few things and as a default I don’t like to leave early but enough is enough for too many War Thunder players.

[EddieVanHalo-live]

@An_Pigeon

Solid shot while modelled wrong, and APHE is overperforming in this game is no small joke, the solid shot on the French tanks is pretty damn good TBH 85 pen at a 60 degree slope is potent.
While he did say freaking like a twonk, the Amx M4 is an absolutely potent tank at its BR one that im about to start spading actually.

French tanks thats their thing but, dont rely on armour bar maybe for the somau SM (which i dont have so dont quote me on how potent its armour is now adays)

The solid shot in a down tier is fine. This thing eats Tigers for breakfast but it should as its fifties not WW2. In a balanced game with few mods it struggles unless it can hide and often it cant because of terrain.Try facing US heavies at it’s own BR and all the shots bounce.
Pplay it at a BR above you and it’s pointless.I have done well with it early on but only with the right terrain.Hull down ,moving forwards and back to hide behind minor hills.
I have had a few good games and only just got a the FPE and the ability to repair.

I don’t have any other 6.7 French tank, there is only one and that was recently added.
Like I said ,good reason to quit after one.Just one of many reasons this game provides.

[Gale_Cleven]

Like what should be the punishment for this?

[An_Pigeon]

@EddieVanHalo

People are voting with their feet so to speak, that says it all.

Like i said, I know more people who have left the game, due to the people ODLing, than the so called “broken” stuff in it, Im well aware how some maps arent that good, or how compression is a ball buster in certain brackets.

@EddieVanHalo

You have actually agreed with me on a few things a

While i disagree on ODLing that doesnt mean im saying the game is perfect.

@EddieVanHalo

but enough is enough for too many War Thunder players.

Then why do they keep playing? why not show that enough is enough and bail until its fixed.
I know many who abuse ODLing as a way to maintain a KD, or to earn SL with prems as well.
people don’t always have a “good” reason for it.

@EddieVanHalo

For all the backwards and forwards I can only react to your ability to understand what anybody is saying to you

I understand finewell, im offering everytime counter arguments to said points as I don’t believe they are worth the ODL, if the games that bad you gotta do that, then just do what I did and stop for a period.

@EddieVanHalo

So many people have given you so many reasons why people are quitting in disgust at this game after one life especially at Top Tier and you still say it’s the players not the game.

Ive made it to top tier in over 5 nations and 9.3 for the rest bar sweden. with over 3000 hours im well versed in what is and isnt an issue in the game.
However, to take the blame of ODLing away from the players and place all responsibility on gaijin, is not the answer.

Ill tell you, ive sat in lobbies at top tier, and seen people with Leopard 2A7’s die and leave, why? to preserve KD ratios.
Ive seen them do it with Abrams sep V2s
CR2 Black Nights,
Merkava MK4M’s
T80BVM’s etc

all of these people have lineups, all of them tend to be on decent maps, most of them leave to preserve their KD or SL.
Which is ridiculous, the merkava and CR2s Are horrifingly bad right enough hence why not many use them now.
However, If you’re at the point you are so disillusioned with the game that you just leave every second match, be it for a bad map, or someone cross maps you, then why bother playing? Genuinely asking, not in that snidey remark way.

@EddieVanHalo

The solid shot in a down tier is fine. This thing eats Tigers for breakfast but it should as its fifties not WW2. In a balanced game with few mods it struggles unless it can hide and often it cant because of terrain.Try facing US heavies at it’s own BR and all the shots bounce.

I have the last two games, its worked relatively well actually, suprisingly better than i thought, coming from the US 6.7 lineup with the M26 was brutal.

@EddieVanHalo

I don’t have any other 6.7 French tank, there is only one and that was recently added.
Like I said ,good reason to quit after one.Just one of many reasons this game provides.

Then why not do the more sensible thing and use a 5.7 or 5.3 lineup and grind out another 6.7? or even 6.0 tank?
that is nothing to do with Gaijin or the game, that is your own choices making it harder

[EddieVanHalo-live]

@Gale_Cleven

Like what should be the punishment for this?

How do you punish players who clearly are already not loving the game that much or have bought a premium and only have one tank ,one life? If the game now is giving single tank players multi lives like they do with the Israeli M51 then that is a good start but it should have been done years ago and it shows its the game not the players that are at fault here.

[An_Pigeon]

@EddieVanHalo

single tank players multi lives like they do with the Israeli M51

Thats a suggestion i can back readily.

@EddieVanHalo

it shows its the game not the players that are at fault here.

Its both

[EddieVanHalo-live]

@An_Pigeon

Like i said, I know more people who have left the game, due to the people ODLing, than the so called “broken” stuff in it, Im well aware how some maps arent that good, or how compression is a ball buster in certain brackets.

If people are leaving top tier but not so much the lower tiers then what does that tell you? People came into the game in good faith and are losing faith.This forum has many long term players with 35000 games saying good bye do to relatively recent events. ODL is a symptom of something else. If premiums are the issue and Gaijin love selling premiums then do you expect Gaijin will change the game?

I actually was one of the first people to suggest that Gaijin gave multi spawns to single vehicle pack owners like you get with the M51 when starting Israel. I am not claiming to be an inventor but I was certainly up for it .I also suggested the Tiger pack idea of making duplicate copy past tanks more interesting to collectors although not as an expensive premium pack. I am trying to come up with answers for this.
If only having one pack vehicle is the sole cause of ODL then giving single vehicles multi lives would cure it.That is in Gaijin’s hands.

@An_Pigeon

While i disagree on ODLing that doesnt mean im saying the game is perfect.

I don’t agree with ODL but I understand why it happens and why people do it.Paying players are customers.If they are unhappy then the game needs to get to grips with it.
If a customer in a restaurant is unhappy with the food do you hit him with the soup bowel or improve the food and service? Why call to punish players?

@An_Pigeon

I understand finewell, im offering everytime counter arguments to said points as I don’t believe they are worth the ODL, if the games that bad you gotta do that, then just do what I did and stop for a period.

I just stopped for two months for the first time in four years. My conclusion is that I find the game to be a drag after 5BR now.I could say that is just me but I no it isn’t.

@An_Pigeon

However, If you’re at the point you are so disillusioned with the game that you just leave every second match, be it for a bad map, or someone cross maps you, then why bother playing? Genuinely asking, not in that snidey remark way.

People are leaving mate,they even say good bye on here and everybody laughs at them. These people have been playing for 12 years with 30000 games and they are off in a huff.People on here say they wont miss them then the next thing they are bitching about how bad the teams are now and all the one vehicle players.
Like I said,the maps and the removal of cover pissed people off.Maybe all the tank busting CAS did to a degree as well. People are leaving long term and short term that is a fact.

@An_Pigeon

Then why not do the more sensible thing and use a 5.7 or 5.3 lineup and grind out another 6.7? or even 6.0 tank?
that is nothing to do with Gaijin or the game, that is your own choices making it harder

I play France a lot and I liked the 5.7 line up.It made you think about things,like using cover.France had a full range at 5.7 including premiums and I had them all .At 6.7 when I played there was literally one tank and it is a mixed bag especially un modded. It was unaccompanied so I played it that way.This game just feed players reasons to ODL it really does,that is my point.
I understand your frustration but I do believe that the people who play this game only want the best for it and want to enjoy it not mess about or be messed about.Nobody likes to be ripped off or conned,there are to many games about that take the piss. This didn’t used to be one,now I am not so sure.

[An_Pigeon]

@EddieVanHalo

If only having one pack vehicle is the sole cause of ODL then giving single vehicles multi lives would cure it.That is in Gaijin’s hands.

The issue is , as ive stated above, its not just the premium users, you have people at top tier with tanks that to even have them they must have got through and bought the previous tanks! still ODLing.

@EddieVanHalo

If people are leaving top tier but not so much the lower tiers then what does that tell you?

Thats the damn issue, Im seeing it at almost every BR bracket now bar like 4.7 and down it has started to spread further and further.

@EddieVanHalo

. ODL is a symptom of something else

Initially it was due to the economy, the fact you didnt earn enough, and SL costs were waayyyy to high, on top of that there was also the issue folks had with maps and team compositions, hell people used to leave when they seen germany and russia on the same team.

@EddieVanHalo

If premiums are the issue and Gaijin love selling premiums then do you expect Gaijin will change the game?

They will hit a point they actively will have to.

@EddieVanHalo

.This forum has many long term players with 35000 games saying good bye do to relatively recent events

What events ? the blatant copy paste ? which btw this may get my comment removed.
Or the fact that theyre throwing prems into every BR, adding new modern jets while theres literally rhousands of unanswered bug reports.

Im well aware of the nonsense gaijin get upto that can result in leaving the game. I too take periodic extended breaks as well from it.

@EddieVanHalo

I actually was one of the first people to suggest that Gaijin gave multi spawns to single vehicle pack owners like you get with the M51 when starting Israel. I am not claiming to be an inventor but I was certainly up for it .I also suggested the Tiger pack idea of making duplicate copy past tanks more interesting to collectors although not as an expensive premium pack. I am trying to come up with answers for this.
If only having one pack vehicle is the sole cause of ODL then giving single vehicles multi lives would cure it.That is in Gaijin’s hands.

The cope paste premium packs are incosequential to most folks, the multiple tanks in one folks were moaning about as always, complaining when someone tries to make a difference.
The M51 getting 3 spawns is a fantastic idea as well, which if they even gave vehicles 2 spawns each rather than one, before using the backups then that would also help massively for many folks.

Could make a 2 tank lineup into a four tank lineup effectively.
See that is a genuine solution to what is a problem in the game.

@EddieVanHalo

I don’t agree with ODL but I understand why it happens and why people do it.

I understand why people used to do it, and im aware of why people say they do it now, but I suppose I’ve also experienced so many folks that do it as well just to maintain a KD or SL balance that its plagued the view I have of it.

@EddieVanHalo

Paying players are customers.If they are unhappy then the game needs to get to grips with it.

The biggest issue is the wales / paying customers are the ones who do it, like folks that buy a prem, use automated gameplay mecahnics aka bots then sell the acc.

@EddieVanHalo

If a customer in a restaurant is unhappy with the food do you hit him with the soup bowel or improve the food and service? Why call to punish players?

Depends on the customer, if the customer is one who repeatively goes to the resteraunt to complain then they eventually get banned or charged etc. The call to punish players from me is of those who repeatedly leave almost every single game with one or no deaths.
That contribute nothing to the team or dynamic of the game other than to serve as fodder.

@EddieVanHalo

I just stopped for two months for the first time in four years. My conclusion is that I find the game to be a drag after 5BR now.I could say that is just me but I no it isn’t.

See I thought as well too, then changed my attitude towards it a bit, now I can happily go grind out the M1A2 sep if id like, or leclercs etc but im playing where I actively dont have to try hard to beat the oppositions, which sits at around the 6.7 to 9.3 area, primiraly the 8.0 bracket.

@EddieVanHalo

People are leaving mate,they even say good bye on here and everybody laughs at them.

ive yet to see them leave that doesnt mean it isnt happening it just means ive not witnessed this yet, hell I see more of the older players on here than the newer ones now adays,

@EddieVanHalo

These people have been playing for 12 years with 30000 games and they are off in a huff.

Yeah the folks I know who’ve played for that long are saying theyre leaving due to the ODLing and the stupidity of the teams, those same players are well aware gaijin are not a great company.
Hell ive played for near 6 years or something like that man and ive never seen the playerbase this bad.

@EddieVanHalo

People on here say they wont miss them then the next thing they are bitching about how bad the teams are now and all the one vehicle players.

Folks being arrogant **ck wombles is standard for this playerbase.

@EddieVanHalo

Like I said,the maps and the removal of cover pissed people off.

The maps were absolutely worse before this, as I said, they used to be able to camp up in a spot and usually pin down one side of the map from one camping spot.
I don’t know what map you said has had trees and bushes removed , what map is it?

@EddieVanHalo

.Maybe all the tank busting CAS did to a degree as well

You got to expand your outlook as well.
Its not just ground in this game.
CAS is a bit of an issue in cartain brackets , top tier its a shambles but I told you my stance on that.

But look at air, want a genuine reason to leave?
We have massive compression, the ME262 going toe to toe with the F86 saber, or mig15 which is now the same BR as the meteor Mk8.

or the fact the F104, mig19, arietes, yak38s etc etc at 9.3 need to move back up in BR but cant because the players just headbutt missiles from stuff like the A10 and Su25, WHICh also need to move up.
But gaijin flat out refused to.

So the compression from 10.3 has now compressed the full roaster at top tier all the way to 7.0.
Lets not even touch the ARH slinging EF2000s sitting at 14.0 when realistically we could see 15.0 to resolve the compression through a massive area.

@EddieVanHalo

People are leaving long term and short term that is a fact.

Yet the player count goes up? a lot of folks say they are leaving then keep playing sadly.

@EddieVanHalo

I play France a lot and I liked the 5.7 line up.It made you think about things,like using cover.France had a full range at 5.7 including premiums and I had them all .At 6.7 when I played there was literally one tank and it is a mixed bag especially un modded. It was unaccompanied so I played it that way.This game just feed players reasons to ODL it really does,that is my point.

Okay but france has had two more 6.7s for a long time, that being the amx-13 and the M26 which was added a while ago.
If you mean when you played the amx M4 ages ago then Yeah that is different there literally wasnt a lineup.

@EddieVanHalo

I understand your frustration but I do believe that the people who play this game only want the best for it and want to enjoy it not mess about or be messed about

Genuinely would like to agree but a metric fk ton of people just want the game their way, i want it balanced and made fun for everyone.

@EddieVanHalo

.Nobody likes to be ripped off or conned,there are to many games about that take the piss. This didn’t used to be one,now I am not so sure.

Not gonna disagree here mate. neither am i sure, CR2s are a mess, like a mess.
cheiftains missing half its ammos, equipment etc
the new shir 2 doesnt have any of its right ammos.

the leopard 2s for france that are C&P are actually broken and wrong,
i cant actually list the amount of issues that are just being fundamentally ignored.

Thats a mssive reason why folks are leaving in my eyes.

[EddieVanHalo-live]

@An_Pigeon

I don’t know what map you said has had trees and bushes removed , what map is it?

The “bocage” was laughably removed form Normandy 1944 which is a famous battle based on hengerows. So may maps were reworked or destroyed depending on how you look at it with big rocks just dropped. We had the red gate scandal with narrow maps and all the edges redded out so you blew up if you wondered into them.How did you miss all this bro? How do you expect new players to find good posts and get used to the maps when they change them all the time.Stuff is getting moved daily or it seems like it.

@An_Pigeon

You got to expand your outlook as well.
Its not just ground in this game.
CAS is a bit of an issue in cartain brackets , top tier its a shambles but I told you my stance on that.

Lest not go down the CAS path. Im sure it’s part of ODL but its such a big separate issue.My thoughts on CAS are everywhere on this forum, don’t make me bore more people than is necessary.

@An_Pigeon

Yet the player count goes up? a lot of folks say they are leaving then keep playing sadly.

I’m not the one complaining about other players and what they do.I’m hoping I’m over that ,we will see.I know nobody can make this game how they want it for themselves.

@An_Pigeon

Genuinely would like to agree but a metric fk ton of people just want the game their way, i want it balanced and made fun for everyone.

Fun for for who? (whom if you are posh) Fun for the Bodypillow boys? Fun for those who want era separation or those who dont? Fun for those who hate CAS or love it?
That is the issue. ODL is not an issue for many.Some peole want bigger teams some want smaller teams.Some want big open maps ,some like small town mazes.

I don’t come to WT to be punished for leaving a sub par gaming experience ( yeah that sounded millennial and pretentious I know) but it’s the best way to put it.

If as I am hearing that Gaijin are giving multi spawns with every pack plus a few crew skills then that is a step forward.

If I wanted to spend cash and skip the boredom and drudgery of Cold war,buy a nice T80 or M1 premium as I have considered often then I may well get my ass kicked and ODL it would have to be and often,for a while anyway,if I only got one respawn. Who would be at fault there?
Is it a crime to want to spend and go to the era that means something to you? Especially as Gaijin allows it.

[An_Pigeon]

@EddieVanHalo

scandal with narrow maps

Narrow maps I was here for, seen it on reddit as well, voiced my opinion on that though.
The normandy map I havent seen the changes, I’ve not had that map in god knows nearly 2 years I reckon, also Ive found so far, one post complainging about the maps, one demanding they be reverted and one topic which was a poll saying what people wanted. ones from 2023, the other two 2024.

In which most folks voted for reworks actually.

Warthunder Ground Realistic map poll. Stay, Rework, Remove

This is a poll to see what players think about Warthunder’s Ground Realistic map selection. If you are an arcade player, then don’t participate Stay: No map changes / Minor changes Rework: Major map changes / Large areas redone Remove: Gaijin shouldn’t even try to fix it edit added maps I missed poll poll poll poll poll poll poll poll poll poll poll poll poll poll poll poll poll poll poll poll poll poll poll poll poll poll poll poll poll poll poll poll poll poll poll poll poll poll poll po…

Genuinely cant find much else about map changes to do with normandy

This is the screenshot of what i searched, If youve got more informative links fire away mate.

@EddieVanHalo

How do you expect new players to find good posts and get used to the maps when they change them all the time.Stuff is getting moved daily or it seems like it.

As far as im aware some maps at least at higher BRs are barely changing, thats part of the problem designed for ww2 tanks and using 2000 tanks on em.

@EddieVanHalo

Lest not go down the CAS path. Im sure it’s part of ODL but its such a big separate issue.My thoughts on CAS are everywhere on this forum, don’t make me bore more people than is necessary.

Pff dont want to see it at the top mate, rafales and EF2000s just raining thunder basically.
su34s and F15Es into the mix and its a pain in the hole, Top tier is not un playable as some would like you to think, but it can be tasking sometimes.

@EddieVanHalo

I’m not the one complaining about other players and what they do.I’m hoping I’m over that ,we will see.I know nobody can make this game how they want it for themselves.

Just want this bollocks balanced for once man. then no one could bitch and moan.

@EddieVanHalo

Fun for for who? (whom if you are posh) Fun for the Bodypillow boys? Fun for those who want era separation or those who dont? Fun for those who hate CAS or love it?
That is the issue. ODL is not an issue for many.Some peole want bigger teams some want smaller teams.Some want big open maps ,some like small town mazes.

For generally the playerbase man.
For those who hate CAS, balance cas out, then it wouldnt be so hated. (those who cry to remove it shouldnt really jump into a combined arms game and expect it to not have it) but balance it.

@EddieVanHalo

Fun for those who want era separation

ERA seperation as more individual modelled blocks? or as in the layers ? genuinely never seen that brought up ,seen folks complain about it for chinese tanks though that the ERA is just a lump.

@EddieVanHalo

Fun for the Bodypillow boys?

Simple fix for that, allow a filter so that folks like you and I can turn it off. and they can run around weebed up all they want.

@EddieVanHalo

I don’t come to WT to be punished for leaving a sub par gaming experience ( yeah that sounded millennial and pretentious I know) but it’s the best way to put it.

The bigger issue is those that consistently do it every single game.
Those who maybe get a crap game n do it every now n then aren’t really that bad, like ive had games where weve lost, its over, and still spawn, probably wasting my time and KD , but I dont care about folks leaving at that point. When its 30 seconds into the game, and someone bails before it starts then yeah. its an issue from their part as well.

@EddieVanHalo

If as I am hearing that Gaijin are giving multi spawns with every pack plus a few crew skills then that is a step forward.

dont go there with crew skills. only thing in this game that is 100 percent P2W

@EddieVanHalo

If I wanted to spend cash and skip the boredom and drudgery of Cold war,buy a nice T80 or M1 premium as I have considered often then I may well get my ass kicked and ODL it would have to be and often,for a while anyway,if I only got one respawn. Who would be at fault there?

Both you for running it on its own without a lineup to back it up. AND the company for purposfully selling it in such a manner.

@EddieVanHalo

Is it a crime to want to spend and go to the era that means something to you? Especially as Gaijin allows it.

Hardly, look at my stats for say the amx30 and 30 super, or the Megach 3 for the US and T29.
I bought them together back when i first started as I dispise the lower BRs as ive done it enouhg, 9 years of wot… ill say no more there.

So i uptiered the amx30 to the amx30 super BR, and the Megach 3 with the T29, and then evetually sold some event stuff, spent a little money then got the T20 and IS6 etc etc.

I usually would at least have something to bring back into the match because i realised how important it was.

got my ass kicked right enough but was fun at the time.

[EddieVanHalo-live]

@An_Pigeon

Genuinely cant find much else about map changes to do with normandy

Don’t fixate on Normandy .Its one of many and the question is now ,how many maps have remained unruined or removed ? it’s a forum wide issue it’s not something I invented

@An_Pigeon

Top tier is not un playable as some would like you to think, but it can be tasking sometimes.

Nice to hear that to be honest

@An_Pigeon

Just want this bollocks balanced for once man. then no one could bitch and moan.

Yep fair

@An_Pigeon

For generally the playerbase man.

The isn’t one though mate.we have everything form five year olds(12 of course) to 70 year olds. We have men(and women) from every corner of the globe and every culture.
It could be said that WT died as it tried to be all things to all men(and women).
We have to face it,Japanese games are in a class of their own ,you either love them or hate them. Some people buy Xbox, some buy PlayStation, American vs Japan and that is just one example. So who does War Thunder bow to ?

@An_Pigeon

The bigger issue is those that consistently do it every single game.

At top tier? OK so how old is this this phenomenon? When did it start? We need to come together and do some detective work ,cut down on opinion and get facts.
This is what the forum should be about.You need to recognise the problem before you can deal with it and certainly not resolve it by dishing out punishment and antagonizing people further.

@An_Pigeon

dont go there with crew skills. only thing in this game that is 100 percent P2W

Another topic but if you are a direct entry new kid at 12BR you will need them simply to compete

@An_Pigeon

@EddieVanHalo

If I wanted to spend cash and skip the boredom and drudgery of Cold war,buy a nice T80 or M1 premium as I have considered often then I may well get my ass kicked and ODL it would have to be and often,for a while anyway,if I only got one respawn. Who would be at fault there?

Both you for running it on its own without a lineup to back it up. AND the company for purposfully selling it in such a manner.

It wouldn’t be an issue if it came with five lives ,that would kill Pack based ODL ,but we know that and agree on it.I would be up for any single tank having a mandatory respawn x 4 or 5, it would help the grind and the game.It would be great for twats in single french tanks at 6.7BR ; )

If I did spend silly money on a T80 and it came with x 4 repeat spawns points permitting,I would stick it out just to learn the game.Single tank and I am gone regardless of what I want.Unless I put 6BR in at top tier.

[An_Pigeon]

@EddieVanHalo

Don’t fixate on Normandy .Its one of many and the question is now ,how many maps have remained unruined or removed ? it’s a forum wide issue it’s not something I invented

No im not saying it like that, im genuinely asking if you know better spots to see it discussed as i cnat turn up much on it.

@EddieVanHalo

Nice to hear that to be honest

An Pigeon:

Like i said it can be a task, but folks here are doom sayers with how “unplayable” top tier is. If it was unplayable they would overhaul the game as a large part of the wales sit at top tier.

@EddieVanHalo

The isn’t one though mate.we have everything form five year olds(12 of course) to 70 year olds. We have men(and women) from every corner of the globe and every culture.
It could be said that WT died as it tried to be all things to all men(and women).
We have to face it,Japanese games are in a class of their own ,you either love them or hate them. Some people buy Xbox, some buy PlayStation, American vs Japan and that is just one example. So who does War Thunder bow to ?

Warthunder belongs to those who are military vehicle enthusiasts, regardless of where they are from, the issue is it stopped pandering to the enthrusiasts and started pandering to the melons who want to be at the top without actually playing the game.

That is a Gaijin issue, the whole thing with the review bomb and such a while ago drew soo much attention to the game.
then suddenly everyone and thier dog was a content creator for WT xD see where im going?
That smaller, more dedicated crowd that could slowly press to get things changed is now drowned out by the sea of nonsense.

@EddieVanHalo

At top tier? OK so how old is this this phenomenon? When did it start? We need to come together and do some detective work ,cut down on opinion and get facts.

I think in the last 5 games ive played, everysingle one has had someone on both teams leave before it even starts. You know it isnt a DC cause its a map that isnt great but its not bad either.

@EddieVanHalo

deal with it and certainly not resolve it by dishing out punishment and antagonizing people further.

At a certain point there remains less incentive to get people to actively participate.
they will always leave when they see a map they dislike , or maybe due to team composition. regardless its out of order.

@EddieVanHalo

Another topic but if you are a direct entry new kid at 12BR you will need them simply to compete

An Pigeon:

Regardless of that man, if i take my F5C and you take even an F5E ill pull more Gs for longer and perform better than your F5E overall due to the fact ive got an ace crew (not bought)

@EddieVanHalo

It wouldn’t be an issue if it came with five lives ,that would kill Pack based ODL ,but we know that and agree on it.I would be up for any single tank having a mandatory respawn x 4 or 5, it would help the grind and the game.It would be great for twats in single french tanks at 6.7BR ; )

genuinely. for me even x2 would be a start ,a start mind you.
I usually do garbage with the first spawn then do decent 2nd one around.

But yeah 3x would be ideal, and 5 for a tank with literally no lineup around it ?

@EddieVanHalo

If I did spend silly money on a T80 and it came with x 4 repeat spawns points permitting,I would stick it out just to learn the game.Single tank and I am gone regardless of what I want.Unless I put 6BR in at top tier.

Not gonna lie it would probably get them more bloody sales if they did that. BTW the issue at top tier for USA is horrifying

[EddieVanHalo-live]

@An_Pigeon

No im not saying it like that, im genuinely asking if you know better spots to see it discussed as i cnat turn up much on it.

This wiki and where the joke (or sarcasm) stemmed from: Bocage refers to a terrain of mixed woodland and pasture, with fields and winding country lanes sunken between narrow low ridges and banks.
Normandy was often referred to as the battle of the bocage so its essentially like removing the sand from Sands of Sinai : ) .Im sure if you use the search you can find the old commotion. My answer comes across quite shitty reading back, wasn’t meant to be.The map was what it was ,it was the big hedges map, like a town map is full of houses.

@An_Pigeon

Like i said it can be a task, but folks here are doom sayers with how “unplayable” top tier is. If it was unplayable they would overhaul the game as a large part of the wales sit at top tier.

I’m tempted to see how I fair and whether it sharpens me up at lower tier.
Overall we are all angry not just at Gaijins lack of action but failure to read their own forum and act on obvious anger on a big scale.

@An_Pigeon

Warthunder belongs to those who are military vehicle enthusiasts, regardless of where they are from, the issue is it stopped pandering to the enthrusiasts and started pandering to the melons who want to be at the top without actually playing the game.

There we do agree for sure.

@An_Pigeon

I think in the last 5 games ive played, everysingle one has had someone on both teams leave before it even starts. You know it isnt a DC cause its a map that isnt great but its not bad either

I accept that as “Gonna happen” Like me going into a jungle game dressed in winter attire ,facepalming and leaving immediately in disgust with myself.
Actually a bright white tank is killer in the Sweden game ; ) Best camo you can have there

@An_Pigeon

At a certain point there remains less incentive to get people to actively participate.
they will always leave when they see a map they dislike , or maybe due to team composition. regardless its out of order.

Map hate annoys me to a degree.They all have a place and I see each one as a different challenge,some take time to unlock.

@An_Pigeon

Regardless of that man, if i take my F5C and you take even an F5E ill pull more Gs for longer and perform better than your F5E overall due to the fact ive got an ace crew (not bought)

The G suit thing has no place in the game ,I don’t do much ARB to be honest ,The flying controls on Xbox are a joke and I can fly better in real life than I can in this game on console ,that aint saying much mind.

@An_Pigeon

genuinely. for me even x2 would be a start ,a start mind you.
I usually do garbage with the first spawn then do decent 2nd one around.

I have had some killer games that started so badly I nearly quit.Something to be said for sticking it out.That is a low mid tier mentality though and wanes in a full line up of unmodded 7mph WW2 rubbish VS fast fully spaded 60 tanks firing ammo with 300mm of pen a BR above me.Sometimes its all too much even for the most optimistic.

@An_Pigeon

Not gonna lie it would probably get them more bloody sales if they did that. BTW the issue at top tier for USA is horrifying

So many of us have suggestions that would be brilliant for Gaijin,like I said they need to read their own forum.Its free development.

[An_Pigeon]

@EddieVanHalo

Normandy was often referred to as the battle of the bocage so its essentially like removing the sand from Sands of Sinai : ) .Im sure if you use the search you can find the old commotion. My answer comes across quite shitty reading back, wasn’t meant to be.The map was what it was ,it was the big hedges map, like a town map is full of houses.

i do remember old normandy, i havent actually seen the new one as far as im aware, and if i have its been very fleeting.

@EddieVanHalo

.Im sure if you use the search you can find the old commotion. My answer comes across quite shitty reading back, wasn’t meant to be.The map was what it was ,it was the big hedges map, like a town map is full of houses.

DW bout it man its what happens with messages cant get the tone across, and yeah I reckon I dont wanna see this new normandy then tbh xD

@EddieVanHalo

I’m tempted to see how I fair and whether it sharpens me up at lower tier.
Overall we are all angry not just at Gaijins lack of action but failure to read their own forum and act on obvious anger on a big scale.

In all honesty for me i tend to stay vetween 6.7 and 9.3, only going into 10.7 and top tier when im feeling up for it.
While it is actually playable the pace is a lot faster as well as less forgiving (unless youre in a Leo2a7 or STRV122+).
But yeah as much as I enjoy it, 12 v 12 teams would be better IMO.

Youd probably be surprised, a lot of folks who dislike modern gear say that high BR and top tier is unskilled or less skilled, its absolutely not, it can be just as difficult if not more.
It comes down more to positioning, flanking and response.

If you dont pay attention to a flank (like prem tards dont) then you get absolutely sweeped up and quickly. in the lower BRs while it happens, and can be somewhat swift its no where near as quick as in top tier.

@EddieVanHalo

Overall we are all angry not just at Gaijins lack of action but failure to read their own forum and act on obvious anger on a big scale.

yeah im skirting what i say incase i get a forum muting again but agreed.

@EddieVanHalo

There we do agree for sure.

You notice it a lot :(

@EddieVanHalo

I accept that as “Gonna happen” Like me going into a jungle game dressed in winter attire ,facepalming and leaving immediately in disgust with myself.
Actually a bright white tank is killer in the Sweden game ; ) Best camo you can have there

Btw I do have some whack camos which i thought wouldnt work but they do ! like using the snowy woodland camo on the xm1 in a forrest works xD

@EddieVanHalo

Map hate annoys me to a degree.They all have a place and I see each one as a different challenge,some take time to unlock.

Theres a line of disliking it and learning it , to just bailing at the first sight of it.
While i get the urge i never do it xD

@EddieVanHalo

The G suit thing has no place in the game ,I don’t do much ARB to be honest ,The flying controls on Xbox are a joke and I can fly better in real life than I can in this game on console ,that aint saying much mind.

Cant say that i can fly in real life, maybe if i just high enough xD but nah man on ARB for mouse control its just daft, i try use the keyboard controls but that too is brutal need 3 hands for it xD

@EddieVanHalo

I have had some killer games that started so badly I nearly quit.Something to be said for sticking it out.That is a low mid tier mentality though and wanes in a full line up of unmodded 7mph WW2 rubbish VS fast fully spaded 60 tanks firing ammo with 300mm of pen a BR above me.Sometimes its all too much even for the most optimistic.

An Pigeon:

The good thing is they did decompress that area now so 6.7 isnt getting sharted on by 7.7 MBTs (lets not tlak about how 6.3 could see the leopard 1 for years xD )

@EddieVanHalo

So many of us have suggestions that would be brilliant for Gaijin,like I said they need to read their own forum.Its free development.

The issue is how much makes it up the way i suppose.

[Gale_Cleven]

Exactly, I just think this post sucks.