Okay. And anyone that doesnt go for caps should get 24hr ban too. And those with scouting that dont scout. Dont forget those that drive by and dont help repair.
Better yet, just let me personally give bans to those that dont play the way i want them to play.
Sounds like a fun game :)
Its my bat and ball we shall play it my way or i am going home
Not sure about any “we” but I’m definitely playing it my way.
If we have CAS I will revenge bomb, If I have artillery, I will use it. If I have cover, I will hide behind it.
If one single thing is killing War Thunder and driving veterans away it is the removal of freedom of choice.
You can even see many occasions where Stona the Community manager has tried to explain freedom of choice to certain forum members, and they just don’t get it so I can’t solely lay the blame at Gaijin. Little armchair Hitlers are also to blame.
They want CAS nerfed, all tanks to be equal, no cover and big maps or tiny maps are a must. There is no freedom of choice and no diversity in this game anymore. No freedom of expression in how you personally want to approach each and every different map and scenario.
Nobody will invest the time to get good and overcome the adversity which for me was where the satisfaction came long term.
If half the team do a runner then let them go, more kills for me, I will see the retreat and take up a defensive position, bagging what I can before I’m overwhelmed. That is how I started to get kills in this game as a newbie. Turning the bad into good for myself. Same with spawn camping and getting two or three to take top spot as the game ends, just a consolation for losing.
If you didn’t work to take the good from the bad in WT nobody would play it.
Keep dreaming, you cant force people to play, with that shit idea you basically kill the game. The only way is improve the game not doing worse.
All the things he lists are things I am discussing too. Its not that I dont know it. I even made other forum posts and comments about the topics. For example the maps.
Also I know that the economy was never a real reason for ODL. This is why I said “so called reasons” when listing these reasons.
But he does not take into account that the snowballing he identifies as a reason for ODL is even more a problem when people ODL. For example: if the whole left flank is killed in first attempt to get somewhere and decides to give up instead of trying to do something about it, the enemy will use the gap in frontline to flank the rest of the team too. Yes, there are very strong positions on every map in this game and since I am a very terrain-based player I think I know them all. But I never give up when these positions are currently held by the enemy. I try to regain control over them and often it works. But it only works when you try to get them back, communicate with the team (map pings are helpful) and dont ODL.
When I am in CAS I always look for people on strong positions, flankers and try to defend zones. Its not too hard to get into CAS and once in it is always appreciated to get info from ground forces. But often in high tier there is not much left of the team once I am in CAS (no I dont J out just to get in CAS ASAP).
TLDR: Yes, Canadians analysis is right and its nothing new for me, but the ODL is even increasing the snowball effect.
And no, I think discussing solutions for a game is not building the 4th reich, but thanks for caring.
It’s not that he doesn’t identify it, but that it is irrelevant. War Thunder is not professional sports, where you can expect competitors to stick it out to the bitter end. It’s an MMO, and you will always be contending with player behaviour that you cannot change.
Let me make an example. One of the reasons why World War Mode hasn’t been back in so long is that it’s unbalanced. Because it’s unbalanced, everyone wants to play the stronger side, until nobody is left to play the other side, and the mode dies.
You can tell me that “people flocking to the stronger side just make the imbalance problem even worse” and it would be completely true. It would also be irrelevant, because it’s not the players who are to blame if the mode is not balanced. Fix the balance issue and the players will sort themselves out.
Now translate that logic onto snowballing. That is the core design of ground RB. Do we want to change it? I’m open to the idea, but what’s important is that we should be talking about game design, not players.
That hyperbole was a bit too much, but the sentiment behind it is not wrong. A “solution” like the one you propose is just lashing out at other players in frustration. It also implies that ODLing is something inherent to some players and not others, so bingo, segregate them and the issue is solved. But that is not the case, you’re looking at the finger (the players) and not the moon (game design).
I will sometimes ODL. And then sometimes I will spawn in seven times in a desperate effort to save a match hanging in the balance. Which I do depends on so many factors, like whether I’ve had a bad day or not, whether I’m on Ritalin or not that particular day, whether I’m trying to complete a task or playing in a squad… Good luck sorting me out in one box or another.
As the quote goes, “the worst thing about life is that everyone has their reasons”. Try and work on hard factors like game design, and not on reasons, because that way lies madness.
You don’t understand ODL in GRB. I don’t need to fight op team “cheaters” shooting accros small maps hitting our spawn in domination mode. Last battle op team shoot accros from " D7" and hitting everybody coming from the spawn almost. It suprise me after watching the replay they see through bushes and low hills.
You have people quit because not having full line for the br or facing op team “cheaters”.
Players are already punished in the form of repair costs, a F2P player who 1 death leaves without a kill or two is not breaking even, if not barely making any SL.
My only solution would be to give RP or SL penalties to those who leave mid-game and did not meet a % of activity and time spent to encourage more spawns and time in the game.
I will soon become part of the problem of ODL XD can hate me for it if ya want. Please punish me for doing this. (sarcasm) only grinded the US up to 5.7 soooo wish me luck soon.
Games last about 5 minutes now , does it really matter who leaves and when? It’s all so trivial ,the game is so trivial and to be honest Gaijin are just making it more and more trivial with every update. The is nothing to get passionate about in this game anymore.
Yes, games last 5 minutes because ODL. This is why I try to make gaijin changing something about it. If it stays this way I will abandon this game sooner or later.
I don’t think Gaijin attach the same importance to their own game as some of the fan base do. That really is the feeling I get yet I know that there has to be many at Gaijin working hard. I just see the good destroyed and outweighed by the bad.
Its just shocking decision making and the players reaction is just that ,A reaction.
. I just get an overall sense of negativity about it all on this forum and every forum that talks about WT now.The maps, the Copy paste, the repetitive game play the crappy BR ,CAS overkill etc
I just played two games and quit one before the end because it was a BP task and got crew locked in the other so I only had one life. I turned WT off after two, had enough.
Crew lock actually forced me ODL in the second game lol
I don’t know how players stuck it out for 12 years, maybe it was a better game then. It was a better game when I started 3 years ago.
Gaijin did alot to improve the game. And they still do it. But these improvements are not helping the gameplay itself. The game mode “Ground RB” did not change in its formula.
Their approach on maps like “red zone everything that could be an advantage” will lead to checkboard-maps sooner or later. I made a different forum thread about it.
They just make the maps less interesting with less terrain. And less space because they red-zone so much. But thats a different topic.
Absolutely, the 2024 roadmap while good it didn’t really address any of the major issues with the game right now. Which is like you mentioned mostly repetitive and bad map design, gameplay fixes, new game modes, etc. These are probably the most important things they should be focusing on.
I just wish Gaijin was a more transparent about those topics.
Well said mate.
If they did address the issues and even said NO to some ,then maybe we would all shut up but we don’t get that so we can only continue to speculate. I think we are all quite reasonable people on here mostly and would enjoy a response or interaction from the Devs.
Better yet, only one and a half tanks of stock.
HAHA… that’s the way the game is for going a little faster.
This issue is so pathetic, mainly because it was generated by the game itself. It was more important greed.
I don’t want to be one of those who you call 1 death leavers but i leave before even dying for example i have no problem playing the match if its 50/50 in matchmaking but when you start playing for example 9.3 like example germany which nation im grinding oh man forget about downtier or equal matchmaking always constant 10.3 matches no matter what in the evening maybe you get 1 single 50/50 like 9.7 game but when you get constant 10.3,10.7 matches no thank you i can’t do anything with my lineup begel,kampfwagen leo 1a5 with the lack of firepower. i would rather play 1 or 2 matches with other nation until cooldown ends.
That is another problem 9.3 is perpetual 10.3.
The game in mechanics and 3D model is beautiful.
Everything else being balance, well thought out events and so on. Third division game.
This forum always deals with one issue at a time but most of the issues are linked ODL is probably a number of other reasons.
Players who want WW2 only bail early when they get hit by a 70s vehicle. Those who hate CAS leave as soon as the skies fill up. Some hate a certain map ,some are doing Battle pass and cant achieve their objective on a certain map or feel they cant etc etc.
Gaijin has made the game outside the game too complicated.Gaijin also makes decisions that impact the game in other areas but does not seem to think it through how that might impact players.
