Solution to One-Death-Leavers / One-Death-Quitters Problem

[An_Pigeon]

@EddieVanHalo

scandal with narrow maps

Narrow maps I was here for, seen it on reddit as well, voiced my opinion on that though.
The normandy map I havent seen the changes, I’ve not had that map in god knows nearly 2 years I reckon, also Ive found so far, one post complainging about the maps, one demanding they be reverted and one topic which was a poll saying what people wanted. ones from 2023, the other two 2024.

In which most folks voted for reworks actually.

Warthunder Ground Realistic map poll. Stay, Rework, Remove

This is a poll to see what players think about Warthunder’s Ground Realistic map selection. If you are an arcade player, then don’t participate Stay: No map changes / Minor changes Rework: Major map changes / Large areas redone Remove: Gaijin shouldn’t even try to fix it edit added maps I missed poll poll poll poll poll poll poll poll poll poll poll poll poll poll poll poll poll poll poll poll poll poll poll poll poll poll poll poll poll poll poll poll poll poll poll poll poll poll poll po…

Genuinely cant find much else about map changes to do with normandy

This is the screenshot of what i searched, If youve got more informative links fire away mate.

@EddieVanHalo

How do you expect new players to find good posts and get used to the maps when they change them all the time.Stuff is getting moved daily or it seems like it.

As far as im aware some maps at least at higher BRs are barely changing, thats part of the problem designed for ww2 tanks and using 2000 tanks on em.

@EddieVanHalo

Lest not go down the CAS path. Im sure it’s part of ODL but its such a big separate issue.My thoughts on CAS are everywhere on this forum, don’t make me bore more people than is necessary.

Pff dont want to see it at the top mate, rafales and EF2000s just raining thunder basically.
su34s and F15Es into the mix and its a pain in the hole, Top tier is not un playable as some would like you to think, but it can be tasking sometimes.

@EddieVanHalo

I’m not the one complaining about other players and what they do.I’m hoping I’m over that ,we will see.I know nobody can make this game how they want it for themselves.

Just want this bollocks balanced for once man. then no one could bitch and moan.

@EddieVanHalo

Fun for for who? (whom if you are posh) Fun for the Bodypillow boys? Fun for those who want era separation or those who dont? Fun for those who hate CAS or love it?
That is the issue. ODL is not an issue for many.Some peole want bigger teams some want smaller teams.Some want big open maps ,some like small town mazes.

For generally the playerbase man.
For those who hate CAS, balance cas out, then it wouldnt be so hated. (those who cry to remove it shouldnt really jump into a combined arms game and expect it to not have it) but balance it.

@EddieVanHalo

Fun for those who want era separation

ERA seperation as more individual modelled blocks? or as in the layers ? genuinely never seen that brought up ,seen folks complain about it for chinese tanks though that the ERA is just a lump.

@EddieVanHalo

Fun for the Bodypillow boys?

Simple fix for that, allow a filter so that folks like you and I can turn it off. and they can run around weebed up all they want.

@EddieVanHalo

I don’t come to WT to be punished for leaving a sub par gaming experience ( yeah that sounded millennial and pretentious I know) but it’s the best way to put it.

The bigger issue is those that consistently do it every single game.
Those who maybe get a crap game n do it every now n then aren’t really that bad, like ive had games where weve lost, its over, and still spawn, probably wasting my time and KD , but I dont care about folks leaving at that point. When its 30 seconds into the game, and someone bails before it starts then yeah. its an issue from their part as well.

@EddieVanHalo

If as I am hearing that Gaijin are giving multi spawns with every pack plus a few crew skills then that is a step forward.

dont go there with crew skills. only thing in this game that is 100 percent P2W

@EddieVanHalo

If I wanted to spend cash and skip the boredom and drudgery of Cold war,buy a nice T80 or M1 premium as I have considered often then I may well get my ass kicked and ODL it would have to be and often,for a while anyway,if I only got one respawn. Who would be at fault there?

Both you for running it on its own without a lineup to back it up. AND the company for purposfully selling it in such a manner.

@EddieVanHalo

Is it a crime to want to spend and go to the era that means something to you? Especially as Gaijin allows it.

Hardly, look at my stats for say the amx30 and 30 super, or the Megach 3 for the US and T29.
I bought them together back when i first started as I dispise the lower BRs as ive done it enouhg, 9 years of wot… ill say no more there.

So i uptiered the amx30 to the amx30 super BR, and the Megach 3 with the T29, and then evetually sold some event stuff, spent a little money then got the T20 and IS6 etc etc.

I usually would at least have something to bring back into the match because i realised how important it was.

got my ass kicked right enough but was fun at the time.

[EddieVanHalo-live]

@An_Pigeon

Genuinely cant find much else about map changes to do with normandy

Don’t fixate on Normandy .Its one of many and the question is now ,how many maps have remained unruined or removed ? it’s a forum wide issue it’s not something I invented

@An_Pigeon

Top tier is not un playable as some would like you to think, but it can be tasking sometimes.

Nice to hear that to be honest

@An_Pigeon

Just want this bollocks balanced for once man. then no one could bitch and moan.

Yep fair

@An_Pigeon

For generally the playerbase man.

The isn’t one though mate.we have everything form five year olds(12 of course) to 70 year olds. We have men(and women) from every corner of the globe and every culture.
It could be said that WT died as it tried to be all things to all men(and women).
We have to face it,Japanese games are in a class of their own ,you either love them or hate them. Some people buy Xbox, some buy PlayStation, American vs Japan and that is just one example. So who does War Thunder bow to ?

@An_Pigeon

The bigger issue is those that consistently do it every single game.

At top tier? OK so how old is this this phenomenon? When did it start? We need to come together and do some detective work ,cut down on opinion and get facts.
This is what the forum should be about.You need to recognise the problem before you can deal with it and certainly not resolve it by dishing out punishment and antagonizing people further.

@An_Pigeon

dont go there with crew skills. only thing in this game that is 100 percent P2W

Another topic but if you are a direct entry new kid at 12BR you will need them simply to compete

@An_Pigeon

@EddieVanHalo

If I wanted to spend cash and skip the boredom and drudgery of Cold war,buy a nice T80 or M1 premium as I have considered often then I may well get my ass kicked and ODL it would have to be and often,for a while anyway,if I only got one respawn. Who would be at fault there?

Both you for running it on its own without a lineup to back it up. AND the company for purposfully selling it in such a manner.

It wouldn’t be an issue if it came with five lives ,that would kill Pack based ODL ,but we know that and agree on it.I would be up for any single tank having a mandatory respawn x 4 or 5, it would help the grind and the game.It would be great for twats in single french tanks at 6.7BR ; )

If I did spend silly money on a T80 and it came with x 4 repeat spawns points permitting,I would stick it out just to learn the game.Single tank and I am gone regardless of what I want.Unless I put 6BR in at top tier.

[An_Pigeon]

@EddieVanHalo

Don’t fixate on Normandy .Its one of many and the question is now ,how many maps have remained unruined or removed ? it’s a forum wide issue it’s not something I invented

No im not saying it like that, im genuinely asking if you know better spots to see it discussed as i cnat turn up much on it.

@EddieVanHalo

Nice to hear that to be honest

An Pigeon:

Like i said it can be a task, but folks here are doom sayers with how “unplayable” top tier is. If it was unplayable they would overhaul the game as a large part of the wales sit at top tier.

@EddieVanHalo

The isn’t one though mate.we have everything form five year olds(12 of course) to 70 year olds. We have men(and women) from every corner of the globe and every culture.
It could be said that WT died as it tried to be all things to all men(and women).
We have to face it,Japanese games are in a class of their own ,you either love them or hate them. Some people buy Xbox, some buy PlayStation, American vs Japan and that is just one example. So who does War Thunder bow to ?

Warthunder belongs to those who are military vehicle enthusiasts, regardless of where they are from, the issue is it stopped pandering to the enthrusiasts and started pandering to the melons who want to be at the top without actually playing the game.

That is a Gaijin issue, the whole thing with the review bomb and such a while ago drew soo much attention to the game.
then suddenly everyone and thier dog was a content creator for WT xD see where im going?
That smaller, more dedicated crowd that could slowly press to get things changed is now drowned out by the sea of nonsense.

@EddieVanHalo

At top tier? OK so how old is this this phenomenon? When did it start? We need to come together and do some detective work ,cut down on opinion and get facts.

I think in the last 5 games ive played, everysingle one has had someone on both teams leave before it even starts. You know it isnt a DC cause its a map that isnt great but its not bad either.

@EddieVanHalo

deal with it and certainly not resolve it by dishing out punishment and antagonizing people further.

At a certain point there remains less incentive to get people to actively participate.
they will always leave when they see a map they dislike , or maybe due to team composition. regardless its out of order.

@EddieVanHalo

Another topic but if you are a direct entry new kid at 12BR you will need them simply to compete

An Pigeon:

Regardless of that man, if i take my F5C and you take even an F5E ill pull more Gs for longer and perform better than your F5E overall due to the fact ive got an ace crew (not bought)

@EddieVanHalo

It wouldn’t be an issue if it came with five lives ,that would kill Pack based ODL ,but we know that and agree on it.I would be up for any single tank having a mandatory respawn x 4 or 5, it would help the grind and the game.It would be great for twats in single french tanks at 6.7BR ; )

genuinely. for me even x2 would be a start ,a start mind you.
I usually do garbage with the first spawn then do decent 2nd one around.

But yeah 3x would be ideal, and 5 for a tank with literally no lineup around it ?

@EddieVanHalo

If I did spend silly money on a T80 and it came with x 4 repeat spawns points permitting,I would stick it out just to learn the game.Single tank and I am gone regardless of what I want.Unless I put 6BR in at top tier.

Not gonna lie it would probably get them more bloody sales if they did that. BTW the issue at top tier for USA is horrifying

[EddieVanHalo-live]

@An_Pigeon

No im not saying it like that, im genuinely asking if you know better spots to see it discussed as i cnat turn up much on it.

This wiki and where the joke (or sarcasm) stemmed from: Bocage refers to a terrain of mixed woodland and pasture, with fields and winding country lanes sunken between narrow low ridges and banks.
Normandy was often referred to as the battle of the bocage so its essentially like removing the sand from Sands of Sinai : ) .Im sure if you use the search you can find the old commotion. My answer comes across quite shitty reading back, wasn’t meant to be.The map was what it was ,it was the big hedges map, like a town map is full of houses.

@An_Pigeon

Like i said it can be a task, but folks here are doom sayers with how “unplayable” top tier is. If it was unplayable they would overhaul the game as a large part of the wales sit at top tier.

I’m tempted to see how I fair and whether it sharpens me up at lower tier.
Overall we are all angry not just at Gaijins lack of action but failure to read their own forum and act on obvious anger on a big scale.

@An_Pigeon

Warthunder belongs to those who are military vehicle enthusiasts, regardless of where they are from, the issue is it stopped pandering to the enthrusiasts and started pandering to the melons who want to be at the top without actually playing the game.

There we do agree for sure.

@An_Pigeon

I think in the last 5 games ive played, everysingle one has had someone on both teams leave before it even starts. You know it isnt a DC cause its a map that isnt great but its not bad either

I accept that as “Gonna happen” Like me going into a jungle game dressed in winter attire ,facepalming and leaving immediately in disgust with myself.
Actually a bright white tank is killer in the Sweden game ; ) Best camo you can have there

@An_Pigeon

At a certain point there remains less incentive to get people to actively participate.
they will always leave when they see a map they dislike , or maybe due to team composition. regardless its out of order.

Map hate annoys me to a degree.They all have a place and I see each one as a different challenge,some take time to unlock.

@An_Pigeon

Regardless of that man, if i take my F5C and you take even an F5E ill pull more Gs for longer and perform better than your F5E overall due to the fact ive got an ace crew (not bought)

The G suit thing has no place in the game ,I don’t do much ARB to be honest ,The flying controls on Xbox are a joke and I can fly better in real life than I can in this game on console ,that aint saying much mind.

@An_Pigeon

genuinely. for me even x2 would be a start ,a start mind you.
I usually do garbage with the first spawn then do decent 2nd one around.

I have had some killer games that started so badly I nearly quit.Something to be said for sticking it out.That is a low mid tier mentality though and wanes in a full line up of unmodded 7mph WW2 rubbish VS fast fully spaded 60 tanks firing ammo with 300mm of pen a BR above me.Sometimes its all too much even for the most optimistic.

@An_Pigeon

Not gonna lie it would probably get them more bloody sales if they did that. BTW the issue at top tier for USA is horrifying

So many of us have suggestions that would be brilliant for Gaijin,like I said they need to read their own forum.Its free development.

[An_Pigeon]

@EddieVanHalo

Normandy was often referred to as the battle of the bocage so its essentially like removing the sand from Sands of Sinai : ) .Im sure if you use the search you can find the old commotion. My answer comes across quite shitty reading back, wasn’t meant to be.The map was what it was ,it was the big hedges map, like a town map is full of houses.

i do remember old normandy, i havent actually seen the new one as far as im aware, and if i have its been very fleeting.

@EddieVanHalo

.Im sure if you use the search you can find the old commotion. My answer comes across quite shitty reading back, wasn’t meant to be.The map was what it was ,it was the big hedges map, like a town map is full of houses.

DW bout it man its what happens with messages cant get the tone across, and yeah I reckon I dont wanna see this new normandy then tbh xD

@EddieVanHalo

I’m tempted to see how I fair and whether it sharpens me up at lower tier.
Overall we are all angry not just at Gaijins lack of action but failure to read their own forum and act on obvious anger on a big scale.

In all honesty for me i tend to stay vetween 6.7 and 9.3, only going into 10.7 and top tier when im feeling up for it.
While it is actually playable the pace is a lot faster as well as less forgiving (unless youre in a Leo2a7 or STRV122+).
But yeah as much as I enjoy it, 12 v 12 teams would be better IMO.

Youd probably be surprised, a lot of folks who dislike modern gear say that high BR and top tier is unskilled or less skilled, its absolutely not, it can be just as difficult if not more.
It comes down more to positioning, flanking and response.

If you dont pay attention to a flank (like prem tards dont) then you get absolutely sweeped up and quickly. in the lower BRs while it happens, and can be somewhat swift its no where near as quick as in top tier.

@EddieVanHalo

Overall we are all angry not just at Gaijins lack of action but failure to read their own forum and act on obvious anger on a big scale.

yeah im skirting what i say incase i get a forum muting again but agreed.

@EddieVanHalo

There we do agree for sure.

You notice it a lot :(

@EddieVanHalo

I accept that as “Gonna happen” Like me going into a jungle game dressed in winter attire ,facepalming and leaving immediately in disgust with myself.
Actually a bright white tank is killer in the Sweden game ; ) Best camo you can have there

Btw I do have some whack camos which i thought wouldnt work but they do ! like using the snowy woodland camo on the xm1 in a forrest works xD

@EddieVanHalo

Map hate annoys me to a degree.They all have a place and I see each one as a different challenge,some take time to unlock.

Theres a line of disliking it and learning it , to just bailing at the first sight of it.
While i get the urge i never do it xD

@EddieVanHalo

The G suit thing has no place in the game ,I don’t do much ARB to be honest ,The flying controls on Xbox are a joke and I can fly better in real life than I can in this game on console ,that aint saying much mind.

Cant say that i can fly in real life, maybe if i just high enough xD but nah man on ARB for mouse control its just daft, i try use the keyboard controls but that too is brutal need 3 hands for it xD

@EddieVanHalo

I have had some killer games that started so badly I nearly quit.Something to be said for sticking it out.That is a low mid tier mentality though and wanes in a full line up of unmodded 7mph WW2 rubbish VS fast fully spaded 60 tanks firing ammo with 300mm of pen a BR above me.Sometimes its all too much even for the most optimistic.

An Pigeon:

The good thing is they did decompress that area now so 6.7 isnt getting sharted on by 7.7 MBTs (lets not tlak about how 6.3 could see the leopard 1 for years xD )

@EddieVanHalo

So many of us have suggestions that would be brilliant for Gaijin,like I said they need to read their own forum.Its free development.

The issue is how much makes it up the way i suppose.

[Gale_Cleven]

Exactly, I just think this post sucks.

[EddieVanHalo-live]

I will admit to having a freedom of choice bee in my bonnet as far as this game is concerned. I also know how disadvantaged I am on console and have developed a few ways to survive many of which have be hoovered up by Gaijin over the years.Its one size fits all now.

[An_Pigeon]

By the way a genuinely sound suggestion for on console , fire in a mouse and keyboard, and see how it works.

I know controller is a headache.
Tbh it astounds me that they dont focus on updating controls and mechanics, over just spamming out vehicles

[LiteralStone-psn]

How about no CAS for the first 10 minutes of what is supposed to be a ground forces centric mode? Not saying eliminate cas entirely but would be nice to have a few minutes with getting bombed or strafed in the first 3 minutes of a battle. Also remove the cheap Kamikaze play from GFAB. If they kill themselves by slamming a plane into a ground vehicle then it should count as a death to them as well as the player on the ground.

Yeah yeah I know it’s a combined arms battle mode but then why label it as GFAB or GFRB?

[_RACERX]

I don’t enjoy leaving after one death but the game pushes players to that. I have several “one tank maps” and have just added North Holland to the list. It’s among the most boring maps we have with a single mind numbing corridor of attack in a city. Come to think of it, I might start not spawning on that map at all.

[GhostSoph]

@__RACERX__

I don’t enjoy leaving after one death but the game pushes players to that.

No it does not. I like North Holland map, and other players will like it. I don’t like Vietnam, but i play it anyway…i putted it on my dislike list so i rarely get it…

Game pushes players to different game maps and modes and balances…and it is IMPOSSIBLE to make everyone happy. Regardless of anything else many players will only be happy with 5+ kills or more…and someone has to die for those kills…so someone will ALWAYS blame something not “between chair and keyboard” for their deaths…it is human nature.

Think of any face-to-face team sport…there will always be someone annoyed at the game, venue, opponent, own team…particularly at the referee!!! Social pressure and sanctions prevents ODL in face-to-face sports…and the absence of this pressure is what makes players ODL in internet games…and they will always find a “reason”.

Game can only mitigate it…can be better or worse…but most players in these topics will NEVER be happy…

[An_Pigeon]

@GhostSoph

Think of any face-to-face team sport…there will always be someone annoyed at the game, venue, opponent, own team…particularly at the referee!!! Social pressure and sanctions prevents ODL in face-to-face sports…and the absence of this pressure is what makes players ODL in internet games…and they will always find a “reason”.

well said, those reasons tend to be pretty poor as well. Even maps I do terrible on, and dispise the map (even if I think its really badly designed) i dont ODL or leave flat out.

@GhostSoph

Game can only mitigate it…can be better or worse…but most players in these topics will NEVER be happy…

They genuinely need to do something about it at this stage though, high tier, not even just top tier now, is decided most the time by what team has the most people ODLing. The game is based around lineups, always has been since i started about 5 / 6 years ago, never have I seen gaijin actively encourage people to ODL, If anything the oppoisite, (crew lock was a punishment for actively leaving a game early). However now, people seem to believe that its more efficient to grind, and theres no such thing as team.
Genuinely a system like was in older online shooters would function well to mitigate the ODLers.

[Johny404]

@GhostSoph

Game pushes players to different game maps and modes and balances…and it is IMPOSSIBLE to make everyone happy.

This is what happens when you create MM based game badly. Having too much variety where players cannot reduce said variety to more comfortable zone will always lead into unsatisfaction. And then you combine it with almost no restrictions and you successfully created recipe for disaster.

[An_Pigeon]

Then put in place a ban system for repeated offenders, start making people accept that actions have consequences.

We need decompression and map fixes as well, but people try put the blame solely on gaijin which is just untrue, and unfair for the company.

This is a match im right now!! our team is losing purely because we had so many people just leave early OR not even spawn AT ALL

EDIT : little update.
we may win as a few of us are refusing to leave

[Cpt_Frakk]

‘No it does not. I like North Holland map, and other players will like it. I don’t like Vietnam, but i play it anyway…i putted it on my dislike list so i rarely get it…’

Hi,
That is an intresting statement… One of the Root cause of zero or one death leaver is the broken map rotator…

Good for you when the dislike filter is working on your settings …

When i put dislike to North holland , Middle east and Jungle to not play 8/10 time on that maps and thanks to map rotator play 9/10 on that maps in row…
happend when i disliked the north holland to able to get a different map and 5-6 time in row i got North holland map… after i decided to take a short break in Warthunder.

So please help me which kind of setting needed to ‘dislike’ function work and rarely get marked maps?

In other hand if a new map introductioned the map rotator always drop that map (7-8/10 time). which make it BORING … and also able to cause one death leavers…

[An_Pigeon]

@Cpt_Frakk

… One of the Root cause of zero or one death leaver is the broken map rotator…

Thats a pathetic excuse tbh. I have maps banned, or disliked, and when I get them, I still play the damn map regardless of my feelings of how balanced it is.

@Cpt_Frakk

When i put dislike to North holland , Middle east and Jungle to not play 8/10 time on that maps and thanks to map rotator play 9/10 on that maps in row…

Never has that happened to me, not in such a manner, you also need to take into account that more people dislike other maps and that also comes into the equation.

@Cpt_Frakk

In other hand if a new map introductioned the map rotator always drop that map (7-8/10 time). which make it BORING … and also able to cause one death leavers…

Its a poor excuse to ODL man, theres not really any excuse for it, Like the game ive just shared, Me and 2 other guys literally won the game, if we had just left with 2 deaths, hell if even one of us had bailed with just 2 deaths we would of 100 percent lost that match.

If people realised that working as a team even in a scaffolded way works better than playing only for themselves then the game would be in a far better position.
I get gaijin have issues, some maps suck, compression etc, but the players are also to blame xD this is the same playerbase that literally chased Gaijin off of reddit for being so insidiously toxic and just terrible. So the players are also to blame, hell it was the players that started the idea that ODLing was more beneficial to the grind, and to your SL as back a few years ago it was literally tens of thousands to repair some vehicles, unlike now.
Now adays people just ODL cause they dont wanna play that specific match, maybe its a map they dont like, or an uptier. and boom gone.

its pathetic

exhibit A : there is absolutely no excuse for leaving a game before it even starts

[An_Pigeon]

just to clarify all the edits were to change the screenshots to remove player names forgot thats a forum rule

[Johny404]

@An_Pigeon

Then put in place a ban system for repeated offenders, start making people accept that actions have consequences.

You cannot put ban on offenders until there are restrictions on lineups you can enter battle. If player with one tank can enter battle and he dies, you cannot put ban on him because he technically cannot continue battle because he used all of his vehicles, which is basically example of players with premium vehicles. They would have to change premium vehicles completely by either selling them only as lineup or not allowing you to buy them until you are in range. Second option would be like shooting yourself in foot from business perspective. First option would depend on price of said pack but selling single premium for 80 euro is more lucrative for them then selling multiple for same price(I highly doubt that pack with 3 vehicles sold for 200 euro would sell anything). And if they do not solve premium players then punishing other for leaving after one death would only change behavior of those players to switch to single tank lineup so they would not get punished like others so they would just increase pool of single tank lineup players. And putting ban on player that enters with one vehicle is ridiculous as it is. Why would you even allow him to enter if you know that it is not allowed.

And just enforcing to have more vehicles also is not solution as I can simply take one tank and other slots fill with planes meaning I can get rid of SP fast or I would not be able to use it at all. Then they would have to implement some complex system and now we are certainly in places where Gaijin will never go as this does not benefit them.

[An_Pigeon]

@Johny404_

You cannot put ban on offenders until there are restrictions on lineups you can enter battle.

You can, there already is a rammification for leaving battles banning you from using that nation.
While I whole heartedly agree orn the restrictions to lineups btw, and as was discussed there do need to be some changes in place to make the game more enjoyable, (none of them justify ODLing).

@Johny404_

which is basically example of players with premium vehicles. They would have to change premium vehicles completely by either selling them only as lineup or not allowing you to buy them until you are in range.

Lineup restrictions would prevent this, and in all honesty probably should it would mean more people would learn the tanks and actively enjoy them more once buying htem rather swathes of idiots buying tanks they cant use correctly then hating them and artificially moving their BRs and such.

@Johny404_

(I highly doubt that pack with 3 vehicles sold for 200 euro would sell anything).

Does not need to cost 200 bloody euros at all, gaijin sets the price, I got the XM1 and Petan back years ago in a pack, for 45 quid roughly, with the GE and such.
there was no need for it to costs 90 or 100 euros etc.

@Johny404_

And if they do not solve premium players then punishing other for leaving after one death would only change behavior of those players to switch to single tank lineup so they would not get punished like others so they would just increase pool of single tank lineup players.

You punish all accordingly thats how a reprimand works, not one rule for one players and different for another.

@Johny404_

And just enforcing to have more vehicles also is not solution as I can simply take one tank and other slots fill with planes meaning I can get rid of SP fast or I would not be able to use it at all. Then they would have to implement some complex system and now we are certainly in places where Gaijin will never go as this does not benefit them.

“some complex system”? The damn game is based around using lineups in ground its why they exist in the first place, even arcade has a spawning system to actively encourage more than one death.

The players started this massive plague of ODLing and gaijin now played on it with the top tier prems, before they were introduced you only had things like the turms causing issues, which werent even that bad back then as folks wouldnt really buy it without a lineup (bar absolutely dedicated folks who ODL constantly no matter the tanks).

there is absolutely a need to have a restriction of some kind to limit this nonsense.
If you are consistently leaving games contributing absolutely zero, theres literally no point playing the game anyway! xD
by that I mean the image linked above with 2 people leaving before they even spawn

[Johny404]

@An_Pigeon

Does not need to cost 200 bloody euros at all, gaijin sets the price, I got the XM1 and Petan back years ago in a pack, for 45 quid roughly, with the GE and such.
there was no need for it to costs 90 or 100 euros etc.

You know we are talking about Gaijin here, right? They are greedy and they definitely would put lineup behind ridiculous price.

@An_Pigeon

“some complex system”? The damn game is based around using lineups in ground its why they exist in the first place, even arcade has a spawning system to actively encourage more than one death.

It is complex system to implement because if Gaijin wanted to eliminate ODL they had to implement all things at once to be effective. If they just added condition that you have to have at least two vehicles it would not solve anything as player could simply take just one tank and one play and in battle they do not want to participate they would just yolo rush and die and could leave without punishment because they do not have SP to spawn something else(if you punish players for not being able to spawn then it is badly designed system). They would also needed to change how some conditions are processed right know as there are way you can leave early without crew lock on specific slots(reserves do not get crew lock at all, if enemy is in your spawn zone you can leave without crew lock, you can use plane or heli to get rid of SP, etc.). Putting some restriction when there are workaround would solve nothing so you either make sure you implement it fully or do not bother at all. Also in current system you can technically be forced to leave after 2 deaths if you have really bad battle, which is basically very possible for bad players, as 2 spawn can get rid of all your spawnpoints, so there still would be way to not participate in battle if some players does not like a map. Just yolo rush twice and do nothing.