Oh my god the yapping is still going on…respect
Your argument: “KD is only a metric for how good a vehicle is, not of skill”
My point:“No it is a metric of skill, see Leopard 2a4”
If you still see that as a different topic then ig you are just an average delusional Russian and there is no point continuing to talk to you
This would also imply that Chinese players doing better in Abrams means US players are bad and not the actual tank? Amen
Amen.
tho i love that i have the choise to play chinese MBTs on flat maps and then abrams on more hilly maps where i need depression
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You’re conflating two different things. I’m saying that, statistically, the Buk’s effectiveness is lower than the SAMP/T’s. Furthermore, I already told you that for ‘clones,’ the median is used, which is exactly what reveals the vehicle’s actual statistics.
Where ?
At 10:19 video literally shows how TELAR loses lock for a brief moment when drone goes behind ruins.
At 11:11 he literally says “There is helicopter behind that church” and radar doesn’t see it.
And moment at 11:58 looks like model getting wierd rather than radar going trough building.
Alright statistically the Leo 2a4 germany is worse then the italian one
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Okay, it’s worse, but for statistics, you’re only taking 2 clones in a game where there are 6 of them.
And I repeat, don’t change the subject—the topic of clones and the topic of different vehicles are two different things, especially in statistics
Yeah like i said game model getting wierd rather than TELAR can see trough building
All of them are better then the german once, also 6? i only know of 5.
2 germany, 3 sweden, 2 french, 1 italy
ahh forgot about the christian and strv. ye makes sense
use monthly stats for janurary 2026. not when the pantsir was 11.7 vs phantoms.
Its got a higher K/D but its still primarily because its facing trash aircraft from half a century ago.
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No, they play exactly the same. But to calculate the effectiveness of the German Leopard, you need to take a Leopard that has better statistics than the German one and worse statistics than the best clone. This is called the median, and it’s what reveals the overall statistics of all Leopards
Yes, but the SAMP/T still has better statistics even though it is fighting against ‘strong’ and modern Su-30SM2s
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ok, so you know that the CLAWS and NASAMS have a worse radar right?
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As of early 2025, the Pantsir-SM-SV (the tracked variant of the upgraded SM model) is in the initial stages of deployment, with its production numbers unconfirmed and likely in the low-volume, trial-fielding stage.
- Status: The system was officially deployed by the Russian Army in March 2025 to high-risk regions, such as Kursk.
so russia get a spaa from 2025?
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Yet they’re more effective? Compared to buk of course
Number of kills is dependent on a number of things but average is a major factor.
Mainly fighting against the US or USSR means you’re more likely to be engaged by CAS. While they do bring CAS they don’t to the same extent.
Also I’d suggest not using a minor nation K/D rate to a major nation. From your stats the SAMP has a positive K/D rate at 98k battles. The Buk had .7 K/D rate at 450k battles. The IRIS is a better comparison to the Buk. Still supports your argument has the IRIS has a positive K/D.
I don’t think the Russians need a new SPAA especially with this one being geared towards anti munitions. Still gaps with other nations. As well as a general rebalance of CAS, coming from a CAS user.
that is because you are using a flawed metric