I was never dishonest, think of what I could mean next time
2S38 is better than the puma is a crazy statement, but it is true that you have played it and therefor not dishonest on that point, unsure when it comes to the statement around t series and leopards tho
What’s shameless about a 12.7 Pantsir when all other tech trees have better SPAA at that BR?
USA has never been nuked since 2022.
Abrams is stronger than ever, they have stronger helicopters than ever before, stronger CAS, and stronger SPAA.
USA even has a light tank for use at high ranks now.
USA had OP CAS for 4 years, and Gaijin gave us nothing to counter them.
USSR gets OP CAS and we get new hard counters to said CAS within 6 months.
None of these are my takes, none of these are my opinions.
By the time F-14B got countered in ground RB with Pantsir, we had F-16C.
And by the time F-16C got countered players learned to boom & zoom low altitude.
But you know… Su-34 gets added and we finally get SPAA that counters F-16C, Rafale, Su-34, etc.
The launchers literally have an aesa radar which cause the missile to ignore multipath when you have a current lock… It has one of the strongest radars because of that…
Yes the search radar is slow but that doesnt matter as you only need it for the first detaction, the updates do the launchers
I prefer the PUMA due to being able to launch a missile at a faraway target and then just go away, no need for staying exposed… And the fact it’s armour is much better than the 2S38’s. The leopard, I prefer it because of it’s reverse speed, extra crew member, AMAZING gun depression and it’s amazing shell
I have explained my point
Wait, why y’all hating on a Pantsir at 12.7 anyway? A single vehicle SAM at 12.7… all I got is its got better missiles and on a different chassis, that’s it, limited range - can’t shoot down most helis (if they stay at the furthest spawn from the map)
Are you just saying random stuff or something? Helo’s further spawn is 7-9 km away from the battlefield, Pantsir has a minimum range of 18km. Helos are food for any Pantsir with two functional braincells.
*maximum
depends on the map and player, if the heli is 8km away and just spamming f&f missiles while spamming chaff and instantly dips down into cover after 3-5 seconds there is not much a pantsir can do, or any spaa
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No spaa can, if you want we can go in a custom and if we choose a propper map no spaa you play will be able to kill me
Minimum in the sense of guaranteed launch range, 18km is minimum, 20km is maximum under ideal conditions.
SACLOS is unaffected by chaff. But of course everything depends on players that’s applicable to everything in this game, we are talking about base advantages. Pantsir is arguably the best AD unit in the game being a jack of all trades. If they made ARH capable of reliably taking down helos and IIR unaffected by DIRCM maybe that would change.
SACLOS is, but the Pantsir’s tracking radar not. It sees every chaff pop and sometimes switches track.
I agree
18km is not the minimum launch distance tho
so go and tell nato countries to change their doctrine and invest in shorads
They wont since they already got the small patriot type of missile
I mean, honestly I don’t know why you’d lock a helicopter in the first place that will just make your missile hit the ground aside from the fact that they can barely maneuver so just mouse aim that thing you know.
Tiny linguistic mismatch but you get the idea, true maximum range is 20km.
My main reason for questioning that would be: Why would you want to risk setting off the helis RWR to let them know a missile is coming, its much better to not have them know until its too late
min range on such missiles is a few KM. they take a while to get on your crosshair properly. makes the guns on a pantsir quite valuable when the player remembers that they exist.
worst thing is that the new pantsir is going to have better radar tracking and missiles that do up to 40KM (those missiles are undocumented other than a propaganda websits as far as ive found by the way)
Or if magical laser DIRCM would work as in real life which means not affecting gen 5 IR seekers such as the ones found on 9Xs, Python 5s, IRIS-Ts; some of which even have home on jam capability, NATO spaa would actually be able to perform.
However Gaijin, in their infinite copium consumption, has deemed that unfair and therefor the magical Mi-28 DLIRCM can block 7 missiles simlutaneously with just 2 lasers. It’s just russian magic, like the russian magical belts that only explode partially or the magical russian shrapnel absorbing autoloaders or the magical KH-38s that totally exist and are not just mockups.
But russia is magic, therefore no dice. Nato vehicles will get further artifical nerfs (no 829A4 equivalent sheels to deal with heavy era, no historially accurate Brimstones, Mavericks that don’t overpressure despite having 60kg heat war heads, etc ad absurdum.
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The biggest joke is that they are physically the same.
Like russia just managed to get the fuel 2 orders of magnitude more powerful to make the missile 150% faster and have double the range??
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I hope they add the kinetic one with 40km range so that means they finally have to buff the star streak
