No they die when the radar unit dies
That explains their dip in win rate in January.
Wonder if this new spaa gonna be in the free spaa?
So then its a fair improvement as both of the “well performing” SPAAs are far from IRIS?
No At least until a better Rus SPAA join in
Idk you tell me how fair it is that the tech tree with the already best top tier SPAA coverage gets another one, because Gaijin lied about the BUK being the worst SPAA. There are actually more tech trees in the game than just Germany and russia, you know.
That may be, and also that may be that most players of the game play US, Germany and USSR. So they get new toys in bigger amounts. I dont think USSR needed that SPAA, but i dont see how is that a problem, especially as new multivehicle SPAA of USSR is still underperforming, even not being the worst. Better be it than C&P TOR to some hungary if you ask me.
Thats an explanation not an excuse.
It might become a balancing problem, because despite the BUK being not great russia is not performing poorly probably due to having 2 viable SPAA in top tier. Now Gaijin adds, based on a lie, a newer, better version of the already well performing Pantsir. I think you can see how players that either play a vastly worse performing nation at top tier or play a nation with worse SPAA than the BUK might find that decision and reasoning by Gaijin highly questionable
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Remind me, why does that addition even need an excuse?
Doubts. Germany has best top tier SPAA, one of the best top tier tanks and some EF2000 shenanigans, but underperforms significantly.
the only two nations that perform “vastly worse”, again on same public stats that you guys say “BUK ISNT WORST” on, are Germany and Sweden, despite their SPAA and tanks not being worst but basically best. Every other nation has better performance at top tier actually. So i dont understand that, no
because its an unnecessary addition for a tree that doesnt need it which might have extremely negative impact on top tier balance.
Missing the point there buddy. The point was that despite the lackluster performance of the BUK russias general performance is not bad probably because they are the only ones with a second SPAA to pick up the slack at top tier
But their helis suck and i dont see Gaijin immediately giving them some new toy just because one part of the lineup is not up to spec.
Israel, the US and Britain are only 0.9-1.3% above despite russia having orders of magnitude more playrate
Ok let me spell it out. What are the main CAS threats russia faces in top tier? LDIRCM Helis and slow AGMs (japanese 38MT being the exception). What kind of missile guidance is most consistent against LDIRCM Helis? SACLOS. What is the Pantsir really good at? Shooting down slow AGMs. What is the new Pantsir better at than the old? Everything. The new Pantsir doesnt have to be good at killing planes, if its too good at shooting down munition enemy CAS will stilll be useless
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As that is a fair argument for an excuse, i dont see how it will universally have an impact, so do devs, so the excuse isnt needed?
ah thats what you ment. Okay. they surely dont underperforh, thats fact. THe difference about 1% isnt significant, thats for sure. That point is valid.
On the other hand, i specifically pointed out the “all underperforming nations” part as to show that bascally there are none underperforming but germany and sweden. And at least germany has much better first pick SPAA so it kinda nullifies the “second pic” point?
every heli sucks and needs to do so, they deserve that for being an OP BS for a long time.
As i remember, as soon as the Germany started doing bad against Pantsir, they got them FNF heli missiles. Yes, they arent as good as Kh38s but hey they got it straight away. Maybe them Gaijin think that is of enough value?
I do agree, the difference is quite insignificant, so they basically perform the same. That still doesnt make any sense about “others underperforming nations” tho.
As much as i know even Pantsir doesnt perform with 100% success in shooting down enemy munitions. Brimstores and AGM65s still punch many machinery, so it doesnt seem like anything would change. As said sometime earlier, USSR got much worse tanks so it must have an air superiority to be balanced. But being mostly the only nation in the team leads to not have many players with best CAS options.
Ok this is getting convoluted, let me rephrase what i mean so it might be a bit clearer.
The problem with the addition is that Gaijins reason with the BUK being the worst SPAA is questionable since there are strictly worse ones where the tech trees dont get a new addition to help with air cover. And if we say its a general balance addition then thats also questionable since russia is not underperforming and there are strictly worse performing nations that also dont get a new addition to help. Which exactly begs the question why this addition without anything for anyone else?
Youre probably misremembering, because iirc the Tiger UHT predates the Pantsir by roughly 4 years
That is true but they are fairly balanced now so why buff them without buffing anyone else?
I dont really get that part tbh, russia has both S tier fixed wing CAS and helis at top tier.
The dev server is out; test it, mate. Tell me if it great or absolutely rubbish.
Honestly only benefit for other nations I can see with this addition is that not every lvl 10 will have access to a Pantsir anymore. Buk M3 will be arguably less annoying to fight against.
Judging by this video (https://youtu.be/907qb5vkVng?si=B1u_lTk81Mn2Cps5) its dogwater. Radar is unstable and missiles are similar to ahead. If you ever played puma you know ahead is much worse than normal prox fuse. Just look at 1:07-1:33.
Yea you could use normal 95ya6 but whats point then? You have those at 12.0. On kamaz chassis which is legend for post soviet countries.
My expectations were too high.
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Considering its russian, I would not be suprised if it gets fixed without anyone having to bug report it
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this spaa is from 2025 … is in deverlopment but gaijin add in game… "Based on reports from early 2025, the Pantsir-SM-SV (the tracked, armored version intended for land forces) has begun deployment to the Russian armed forces, but the exact number built is not public. "
This is the main issue. Gaijin essentialy is adding an F22 Raptor because the F15E is slightly worse than the EF2000 statwise.
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I dont know if id call it an F22 but russia is certainly not the nation most in need of a second top tier SPAA