People already disclosed all pros/cons of vehicles in question, so I don’t feel the need to repeat everything again. It’s hard to convince me otherwise while all the hard data is showing those two vehicles are trading blows = should stay at the same BR.
I have not yet gotten any of these vehicles, but if the ZTL gun handling and mobility of the vehicle is anywhere close to that of the premium wheeled Chinese that I have, then I can totally see why it’s not at a higher br. That coupled with the fact that the nickname of the kampfwagen is RadCancerWagen, I don’t think the ZTL is actually much better, at least in War Thunder’s Meta. In long range maps, the ZTL might be better, thanks to the thermal and better overall penetration, but both of them will struggle from being highly visibles (being half as tall as the empire state building that is)
Yep, a written letter to all of us.
I guess you didnt read the rest of my comment then, or just ignored it
i did. i always do, ususally i tend to learn a lot from you as compared to other… ‘armchair’ professionals but i must insist that the ideal use case performance of the ZLT (moving into position and sniping tanks) allows it to outperform the rad 90 due to its FCS and features. plus the fact that, the ZLT dosent face russia all that often and western armour at this BR is mostly more pennable as compared to russian t-72 and t-80 models
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Both of them should be at 10.7 at least. Even though they are a wheeled vehicles they have amazing survivability.Since wheeled vehicles are much faster than tanks they can flank enemies even before the enemy tanks can leave their spawn.Radkamphwagen is extremely OP at it’s current BR same goes for TAM 2IP.That thing gets DM33 at 9.0
thats gotta be a bit far tho imho.
408mm of pen at 10.7 is extremely lacking, and the ZLT will also suffer from CAS
well thats a premium so we can see why gaijin wont nerf that
I’m not sure about ZLT(I have never faced that) but that cancer radkamphwagen surely needs a BR raise.It has better frontal armor than MBTs at that BR.It can easily bounce shots on its UFP.
well it is angled at like what… 80? 85 degrees? yeah
ZLT has 491 pen, tandem ATGM, thermals etc at 9.7 and a comparable speed
Realistically, i would personally take the Leopard 2K or any of the meta MBT’s over either of them but if they upped the reverse speed on the ZLT to something pretty decent, i wouldnt be oppsed to it going to 10.0, though i really would be opposed to moving any of these light tanks down. the Bagel panzer managed to avoid the recent increase for some reason and so for germany you now have a 9.3, 9.7 and 2 10.0 light tanks. Spading the puma before it becomes EOL i have realised that it(as well as the 2S38) could very easily go to 10.3 and perform exactly the same. i feel like a lot of german vehicles are underbr’d and a lot of light tanks are too, though i would say the rad is fairly belanced where it is.
Same reason why China gets 7.7 tandem ATGM’s and 7.7 APFSDS. It’s to drawn in the whales and chinese nationals into spending more money on the game. They don’t care about balance, and never have. They only listen years after when entire BR ranges die because people would rather stop playing them than communicate with Gaijin anymore.
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There is already an acknowledged bug report on that which will buff the reverse to something like 13 or 18km/h.
And dont even think about uptiering the puma. Its bad enough as it is, cant face any mbt from range because germany 90% faces russia and america and cant pen the t72 hordes, cant fight the ka50 unlike the 2s38.
And leo 2k is nice no doubt, but its main advantages over russians are turret traverse and mobility.
Armour, fcs and pen are in russian favour.
Again. I dont want the zlt to go to 10.0 even with a buff.
Im going to get it and id rather not be ccrippled by ka50s from 8km away.
But if gaijin bases BR by fighting capability… this is an injustice. The enemy nations lineups at that br are supposed to be taken into account as a whole.
The T-72 has a weakspot where the gunners optics are, so you can consistently kill the gunner with the first or second shot, then destroy the barrel or kill the driver through his port to finish. Abrams are easy because they all have the same weakspot, the turret ring. It definitely does struggle vs helis and planes, but to be honest i’d put the 2S38 up to 11.0 or 11.3.
gunners weakspot I have to admit i didnt know about, the the barrel is mostly a 50/50 at range and close up you can get trolled. the issue with the PMC287 (the apfsds what ever the number is) is that its so small that you need around 3 shots minimum to knock our the barrel from the front or side and during that time the t-72 aint gonna sit there
the drivers hatch is also trolly at least on the t72 turms 3. i do tend to go for it if no better shot is present.
Only disadvantage of the Rad is the lack of thermals, for everything else is a amazing vehicle. ZLT-11 suffer from dogshit mobility, soviet FCS and RP costs of being an end of the line vehicle.
For 0.3BR there are better things that both like the 2S25M (3Gen Thermals/3BM46/27HPton) or M128 (3Gen Thermals/M900/17HPton)
ATGMs in the combat ranges of this game are usually a handicap because of how slow they are; an exception to this rule are soviet ones with velocities of 300-550m/s. The one you are talking about, HJ-73E, not only is fucking slow (130m/s) but has as much explosive filler as a conventional HEAT-FS round (1.83kg TNT).
How is that OP?
The legendary hecking op tandem. The basic HEATFS does all the work, while the missile can’t even go where you aim it at
From the enemy point of view Rad is a way harder target for me compared to ZLT, just because of its tricky armor/DM.
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Rad90 can easily run 90kph on flat ground while ZLT struggle to make itself 50