To add and clarify why chaff is ineffective against the Roland 1 AI SAM defenses.
It’s because it uses the Doppler radar technology which can easily distinguish between slow-moving chaff and a fast-moving aircraft. Allowing it to filter out the chaff as a false target.
You can dump as much chaff as possible if it makes you feel better. But in reality, it’s completely pointless.
Does the same apply to Gepards?
and PD shouldnt work if you notch the PD radar, but even then. I dont think it breaks the lock.
as far as I am aware. AI SPAA within ASB simply ignore CMs
It won’t since the Gepard also uses the Doppler radar system.
All you can do is zig zag, and avoid flying straight that can make it easier to zero in on you.
The SPAA AI in EC are set to fire in bursts, and not full automatic fire.
The SPAA set on these Simulators Battles Air Ground vehicles are way newer and we are in Simulator mode. So, the 60s aircrafts should have the right to face 60s Air defenses. That make sense? It’s not about to balance Air and ground vehicles. If at 60s were the Nikes and Sa-2 or M42 Duster and ZSU-57 AAA that is what should be down ground for 60s fighter.
Rolands, Strella are highly mobile and required targeting sensors with IR sights. Such technology was not in 60s fighters as Mig-21 and F-100. How come we should buy a premium aircraft to grinding facing happy kids usings 80s hardware to stop grinding peoples have spent money in premium 60s aircrafts? and they are getting highly rewards rate for grinding and the person that bought his premium 60s aircraft should go hell? not right by Gaijin!!
If you want to fly a plane, play AIR simulator battles not GROUND simulator battles.
Paying money does not entitle you to dominate other players unopposed.
You keep wanting to fly a plane in a game mode that is the only options for tankers. You have a game mode all to yourself without tanks or SPAA. Why won’t you play it?
Air sim has issues, but it’s quite fun when those issues are worked around.
Ground sim brackets are also stupid. They need fixing. Why am I able to go and grab my plane and fly whenever, even if it’s a stupid decision, but if I wanna drive a firefly in sim I can’t unless the stars align.
Thus, we need better bracketing system.
That’s a legitimate complaint.
Going “I paid money therefore enemy shouldn’t be able to counter me” isn’t.
Yup… I do agree, though if you want some dynamic CAS gameplay. GSB is actually pretty decent for it. Its extremely boring attacking the battlefields in ASB.
«Oh no! I paid for a premium, plz let me be a killing machine»
I’m talking about the persons made and set this 80s vehicles to face older aircraft. From the right moment they designed such a disbalanced missions in favor of newer ground SPAA players they are killing the gameplay for people that at the same time spent money to do the same (grinding) with particular Era vehicles. It’s not that I have more rights to spend my money, and you know very well what I am talking about. The 60s aircrafts don’t have Technolgy to face that threat, there are SPAA from 60s to set and leave alone the players develop the right skill for the right generation aircraft facing what they got in the same timeline IRL. Otherwise Qaijin can change the name to “SPAA party and easy Grinding”
This is a PvP game.
What this means that both sides of the conflict should have the means to oppose and threaten the enemy. Now, must everyone be able at every moment have an equal chance fighting everyone? No. This is a team game.
Rock, Paper, Scissors.
Aircraft: Interceptors tend to be sturdy, fast aircraft that struggle in maneuvering and potentially visibility. They fall easily to air superiority fighters. Meanwhile bombers have heavy, large caliber turret armament that if it strikes a single-engine fighter it can spell death even if not immediately - single-engine fighters can beat bombers, but it’s a costly match-up. Plus, guns are usually wing-mounted vs interceptors’ nose mounted guns However, single-engine fighters can more or less easily win most match-ups with most interceptors as they tend to be more maneuverable even if they have weaker guns that have lower effective range. This distinction becomes blurry in the later years of world war 2 as engine power becomes greater and allows carrying heavier armament and sturdier construction.
Now. Same logic. Ground.
CAS utterly dominates tanks to the point it’s not even funny. In SB, due to enforced sim controls and cockpit view this disparity is somewhat mitigated by difficult of spotting targets and actually getting your plane onto a trajectory to drop the bomb and then pull out without killing yourself.
I’ve only done CAS against arrows in ASB, and even that’s way harder than doing it in GRB due to no mouse aim (F4U-4)
Still, aircraft have the upper hand against tanks.
Against period-accurate SELF PROPELLER anti-aircraft weaponry, aircraft still have a serious advantage. From what I’ve read about SPAA pieces from WW2 through the korean war and starting the vietnam war - they served better as deterrents than actual kill-potential. Hitting a jet or even a fast-flying late-war prop without any guidance systems with relatively low velocity rounds is not going to work. Just look at the service history of the ZSU-57-2
Air superiority however? It works.
CAP acts as a pretty justified and fair counter to aircraft. It’s usually same-era, same technology just like in air matches. However, there’s one massive issue.
Simulator battles.
The skillset neccessary to pilot aircraft with full-real controls is seriously different compared to air RB and can take many hours, if not days of mindful practice and study until it clicks.
I don’t know where I fall in the realm of sim pilot skill, but it took me a whole 24 hours of getting dunked on over, and over, and over again in live sim matches before I finally got a fair 1vs1 dogfight kill against a comparable enemy fighter who was aware and trying to kill me (f4U-4B vs N1K2j).
Flying without rudder pedals and some form of head-tracking will also put you at a marked disadvantage in terms of situational awareness, nose handling, stall handling compared to someone with an actual dedicated setup.
You can learn to make it work without either using hacky solutions (relative rudder my beloved, I shall forever spread your gospel) and gumption, but it is going to be a lot of effort with a massive barrier to entry.
Meanwhile, GSB vs GRB is the exact same control scheme for aiming and movement and the major differences manfiest in tactical gameplay (IFF, map size) and situational awareness (no convenient corner peeking. There’s a TINY skill bump in parallax adjustment, but that’s a rather quick barrier to surmount.
Now, add onto this that grinding aircraft if you just want to play tanks is a lot of unwanted noise. At least in GRB, flying planes is easy and they fly themselves for you - you just point the way and it’s all done. You can swap from driving a tank to flying a plane without significant barriers.
So now we have a big issue.
Period-accurate SPAA is anemic and weak.
Expecting ground players to learn how to fly an airplane using realistic controls not to have their gameplay dominated by something they cannot counter is antithetical to principles of a PvP game.
Giving Ground players RB controlled aircraft is antithetical to it being a simulator and removes the option from those of us who do know how to fly to cut their teeth against targets in an dynamic or even urban environment over the static arrows.
Solution?
Give an SPAA that can reasonably threaten the aircraft and deny them the ability to do their job.
Yes.
Deny.
Aircraft deny tanks the ability to do their job.
SPAA deny planes the ability to do their job.
Who denies SPAA?
Tanks.
Rock, paper and scissors.
Rock doesn’t have the technology to face paper.
It must work with scissors to defeat paper.
If you don’t want to rely on random strangers to do their job as scissors to cut the paper that wants to strangle you - I understand fully - come fly in air simulator battles.
MiG-15 and F-86 mixed with EF-2000. HAHAHA you’re funny. That math was made with your Rock, paper scissors? Well made
That’s an issue with you using a bottom-bracket aircraft. Brackets need fixing and you should be not be beholden to the phases of the moon if what you want to use is playable. That is a fair complaint
Until now you were complaining about SPAA being too powerful.
F86A5 (korean war/1950, 8.7 BR) can face gepards (1960, actually used in 70s), 8.3 BR) even when flying the proper bracket (sunday).
Consult this website to figure out the highest BR aircraft that can show up on a given day to avoid being excessively bottom bracket.
Today’s post-war line-up is 11.2. To fly korean things, you need to wait until sunday. if you’re fine with early-vietnam aircraft, friday also works - but fighting missile buses like F8E in a Mig-15, especially in sim, does not sound fun.
Yes, Warthunder should include this information in-game. It’s dumb you need to hunt for information from a third party website to know when you can and cannot drive the tank you want to experience in SB.
I won’t have time to play until weekend unless I get lucky. Do you know what this means?
Weekend’s rotation is 1_1 and 3_1. Neither of which includes the british tanks I’d want to try in GSB.
It’s stupid.
Yeah, definetly time for a GSB bracket overhaul I thinks
I’m not complaining. I’m requesting a better comprehensive mission design based on vehicle Timeline Era. I can show you many stupid replays where l’m in old jet being multiple times downed by a radar on board SPAA from 80s. The 50/60 jets need get rewards to grinding new vehicles such is impossible doing like Gaijing set missions now. That SPAA with radar should be facing Su-25, A-10 and further development. Your Rock, Paper, scissor are an offense to the Simulator name for that particular game level. I’m trying to get involved in what the name means. You’re trying to put me as a complainer… Ok then have fun.
You are complaining about your own failure to read the PROVIDED IN GAME lineup list for the GROUND SIMULATOR BATTLES for today and see what you’d be facing. If you don’t have the knowledge, skill, or understanding of how to combat those vehicles in the aircraft you have, go and fly your choice aircraft in AIR SIMULATOR BATTLES.
Did you actually read what I wrote?
None of what you wrote there is reacting to anything in this post beyond a single line.
If you’d take your time and read the rest of the post about how lineups work (and that I think they’re awful and prevent me from playing the tanks I’d want to try in GSB when I got the free time to do so), your comment would not be ranting about eras.
Air simulator battles is open for all tiers such is not a simulation based but a free choice for every player. As the Air Ground slot is set as a balanced and tuned to get a Random battle with similar vehicles. Set in those missions the SPAA designed to face an EF-2000 is way hard for 50s jets,.
You have spent days coping over it NOT being balanced.
Like other players have said: play air battles, not ground battles
I think there should be some mini missens, like haveing airdefence on the bases, more agressive AI planes, bigger maps, and normal rewarding.
With more agressive AI it could be rewardet better. Inmagin an AI attacker that will fight back when you open fire at it.
Inmage bombing base while avoiding SAM flying at you.
Inmage haveing bigger maps where you can clime to the max alt, reach max speed and use full potencial of your plane, and missail you carry. AIM120B can shoot down plane more than 150km far away.
And with normal rewarding it would be more liked among everyone. Today sim feels like pay-to-play but why? Because when you die you get -15k sl, when again you are -30k and with this rewarding you wount even get the money back, because you can only gen 18k for 15mins
The worst is that it doesnt even relye on your action, just bomb a base and wait at the airfield. And even when you shoot down 6 ennemis and die before 15mins in game, you would not get even the joining cost back.
… Air simulator battles is open to all tiers?
What?
Have you actually flown it?
Battles are “Up to X BR”, most people fly the top of that BR.
There is a rotation of BR brackets
https://warthunder.highwaymen.space/SimCal/
If I were to fly-out my F86A5 today, I’d see up to 9.3 planes. On my team there’d be F3H-2, enemy team would have arietes.
If I waited until saturday, my F86A5 won’t see F3H-2 or any other fancy vietnam planes and worst thing I’ll see will be an ariete.
If I played on sunday, i’d get F86A5 vs Mig-15 matchups and nothing weird.
Learn to join the appropriate lobby for your aircraft and if you don’t want to fly uptiered, learn which days you’re top dog. It’s all available at the above link.
This entire forum thread is making my brain rot
