There is no way they should be THIS bad.
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I am referring to the Modifications research, not vehicle.
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Hm, seems legit, considering the “useful actions” method for calculating rewards, no?
But 33 air kills, sheesh, I hope this also includes AI, or I may not dare go top-tier anymore anytime soon, haha!
Looks pretty standard to me if you played for around an hour.
I noticed last night in a top tier SimEC match, that I only received 234 mission points for destroying a bomber formation. Something is definitely wrong.
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More or less it is what it is nowhere near what it used to be. Like i remember when game still had bethoven music in hangar you could spade plane in one game and unlock 1 or 2 planes alongside it and enough sl for everything. But those days are long gone.
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All player kills, no AI. Absolutely saddening.
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Still 33 Kills
yea the rewards in general seem pretty “shit” to be honest.
I had a 8 kill match in AirRB match:
Victory in the [Alternate History] Spain mission!
Destruction of aircraft 8 53592 SL 4158 RP
3:12 F-16C MiG-29 4466 + (PA)2233 = 6699 SL 278 + (PA)278 = 556 RP
3:21 F-16C MiG-23ML 4466 + (PA)2233 = 6699 SL 249 + (PA)249 = 498 RP
3:49 F-16C F-4J Phantom II 4466 + (PA)2233 = 6699 SL 249 + (PA)249 = 498 RP
4:24 F-16C F-4J Phantom II 4466 + (PA)2233 = 6699 SL 249 + (PA)249 = 498 RP
4:37 F-16C MiG-23MLA() 4466 + (PA)2233 = 6699 SL 249 + (PA)249 = 498 RP
5:18 F-16C F-16A ADF 4466 + (PA)2233 = 6699 SL 278 + (PA)278 = 556 RP
6:17 F-16C MiG-29 4466 + (PA)2233 = 6699 SL 278 + (PA)278 = 556 RP
11:14 F-16C MiG-23MLA() 4466 + (PA)2233 = 6699 SL 249 + (PA)249 = 498 RP
Critical damage to the enemy 6 4026 SL 306 RP
3:21 F-16C MiG-23ML 447 + (PA)224 = 671 SL 25 + (PA)25 = 50 RP
3:49 F-16C F-4J Phantom II 447 + (PA)224 = 671 SL 25 + (PA)25 = 50 RP
4:08 F-16C F-4J Phantom II 447 + (PA)224 = 671 SL 25 + (PA)25 = 50 RP
4:37 F-16C MiG-23MLA() 447 + (PA)224 = 671 SL 25 + (PA)25 = 50 RP
6:16 F-16C MiG-29 447 + (PA)224 = 671 SL 28 + (PA)28 = 56 RP
11:14 F-16C MiG-23MLA() 447 + (PA)224 = 671 SL 25 + (PA)25 = 50 RP
Damage to the enemy 15 5025 SL 376 RP
3:21 F-16C MiG-23ML 223 + (PA)112 = 335 SL 12 + (PA)12 = 24 RP
3:21 F-16C MiG-23ML 223 + (PA)112 = 335 SL 12 + (PA)12 = 24 RP
3:49 F-16C F-4J Phantom II 223 + (PA)112 = 335 SL 12 + (PA)12 = 24 RP
3:49 F-16C F-4J Phantom II 223 + (PA)112 = 335 SL 12 + (PA)12 = 24 RP
4:08 F-16C F-4J Phantom II 223 + (PA)112 = 335 SL 12 + (PA)12 = 24 RP
4:24 F-16C F-4J Phantom II 223 + (PA)112 = 335 SL 12 + (PA)12 = 24 RP
4:24 F-16C F-4J Phantom II 223 + (PA)112 = 335 SL 12 + (PA)12 = 24 RP
4:37 F-16C MiG-23MLA() 223 + (PA)112 = 335 SL 12 + (PA)12 = 24 RP
4:37 F-16C MiG-23MLA() 223 + (PA)112 = 335 SL 12 + (PA)12 = 24 RP
5:18 F-16C F-16A ADF 223 + (PA)112 = 335 SL 14 + (PA)14 = 28 RP
5:18 F-16C F-16A ADF 223 + (PA)112 = 335 SL 14 + (PA)14 = 28 RP
6:17 F-16C MiG-29 223 + (PA)112 = 335 SL 14 + (PA)14 = 28 RP
6:17 F-16C MiG-29 223 + (PA)112 = 335 SL 14 + (PA)14 = 28 RP
11:14 F-16C MiG-23MLA() 223 + (PA)112 = 335 SL 12 + (PA)12 = 24 RP
11:19 F-16C MiG-23MLA() 223 + (PA)112 = 335 SL 12 + (PA)12 = 24 RP
Takeoffs 2 208 RP
0:51 F-16C 52 + (PA)52 = 104 RP
9:01 F-16C 52 + (PA)52 = 104 RP
Landings 1 208 RP
8:31 F-16C 104 + (PA)104 = 208 RP
Awards 17 18000 SL
3:12 Fighter Rescuer 50 + (PA)25 = 75 SL
3:21 Avenger 150 + (PA)75 = 225 SL
3:21 Multi strike! 100 + (PA)50 = 150 SL
3:50 Shadow strike streak! 100 + (PA)50 = 150 SL
3:50 Multi strike! 500 + (PA)250 = 750 SL
4:24 Shadow strike streak! 100 + (PA)50 = 150 SL
4:37 Professional 150 + (PA)75 = 225 SL
4:37 Shadow strike streak! 100 + (PA)50 = 150 SL
4:37 Multi strike! 100 + (PA)50 = 150 SL
5:19 Avenger 100 + (PA)50 = 150 SL
5:19 Professional 50 + (PA)25 = 75 SL
5:19 Shadow strike streak! 100 + (PA)50 = 150 SL
6:17 Professional 50 + (PA)25 = 75 SL
6:17 Shadow strike streak! 100 + (PA)50 = 150 SL
11:33 Final blow! 250 + (PA)125 = 375 SL
11:33 Hero of the Sky 5000 + (PA)2500 = 7500 SL
11:33 Survivor 5000 + (PA)2500 = 7500 SL
Activity Time 1 2800 SL 40 RP
11:32 F-16C 1400 + (PA)1400 = 2800 SL 20 + (PA)20 = 40 RP
Time Played 1 8128 RP
F-16C 99% 10:55 4064 + (PA)4064 = 8128 RP
Reward for winning 30562 SL
Skill Bonus 6712 RP
F-16C
Other awards 5000 SL
Earned: 119005 SL, 20136 CRP
Activity: 99%
Automatic repair of all vehicles free.
Researched unit:
F-105D: 18122 RP
Researching progress:
F-16C - GBU-12: 2646 RP
Session: 20153c20029fe8b
Total: 119005 SL, 20136 CRP, 20768 RP
although arguably, sim rewards are even worse than rb rewards.
Holy… I miss when we would get rewarded for engaging in PVP. I’ve nearly given up hope of sim getting any more major improvements by Gaijin to be honest… “anti abuse measures” are effecting honest players too. Had a 15 kill match in the MiG-21MF, all players, match ended in 1hr 15min and I got 107k SL and 30k RP, researching the MiG-21bis-SAU. What has happened to our game mode, Gaijin?
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PvP kills give you almost nothing directly, as long as you do your “useful action” thing.
But at least it seems to contribute to useful actions. So 1-2 kills every 15 min and you got almost the max possible outcome.
It is annoying when you have a good day and shoot down 10 planes in half an hour, but I understand that for not ultra skilled players it is a fair system.
But would it be so bad to give us 25% of the enemies spawn cost as kill reward?
Even with 300% SL bonus it would be a 1:1 trade
yeah you only need one pvp kill to max out your reward for the next 15min.
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The best way to score in SimEC as a fighter, is to prioritize the objectives, and take kills of opportunity. This contributes to the win, and get you better rewards than playing just to hunt targets.
I’ve had some surprising after battle results when not even focusing on killing players. Just taking A points and killing formations. The kills will come to you.
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If you want to farm rp you just have to destroy 2 AI planes in bomber formation, rtb and wait for useful action timer since that maxes it out, take off and land so you get rest of rewards.
Stupid system which encourages passive play more then anything since you already start in 10 minutes of debt with paying repair upfront.
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yeah unfortunately this is what the current system actively encourages. If you kill more than 2 planes within 15min, all those extra kills mean nothing regarding rewards (SL/RP).
It is truly pathetic that the devs ever implemented Useful Action.
Back when they were about to implement it and shortly after they implemented it, the whole SB community told them it was a VERY BAD IDEA, but they ignored all of us.
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Almost as if the devs are intentionally making it worse 🤔 best way to get rid of a game mode they have no interest in.
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This has got to be one of the single most dumb features to add to a gamemode. Lets penalise taking moments of opportunity and initiative, lets penalise getting as much done as you can, just because some guys bombed an airfield :/
Nerf bombing the airfield, don’t nerf everything else and make bombing the airfield the only consistent source of rewards. I wanna be able to pop ground targets for more than 20 points a go…
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no if you want make player progress slow. You know, bots gonna bot anyways and ban them is easy but bad for business. Players will grind longer meaning more premium time to buy
If i’m not wrong, they are still there, this just show the amount that was left in the current Modifications research.
Good thing is even the reward is calculated based useful action. You still get the stars/scores by PVP and have 3x multiplier for winter event score.