AJax, Morvran already addressed this. The Su27 is already at the bottom of a Br bracket. It’s equal counter parts are the F16 ADF, F15 A, Jas 39A and F14B. If you can’t shoot down a Su27 in the planes in that list then delete the game. Try something brain dead like candy crush.
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So how do I choose to play a Tornado F3 Late in a downtier?
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the reason su27 dies is due to lack of skill
TBH I would like to see 12.3BR games becasue I can smack peoples with my M2K and MiG-21bison xD
I still hope to see no fox3 between 12.0 and 13.0, especially if only one nation has them.
I d love to have a fox1 only br range, the same way like I find it fun to fight in a fox2 environment or a fox3 environment. Currently, this isnt possibile.
And to the people that say “oh, just evade phoenix”: Yes, you can evade them, but it’s incredibly boring because you have no way to put pressure back on an f14 spamming them. And no, r27er is not an answer, if you try to lead one on target, you die, best case scenario you trade
. Basically an f14 can functionally be immortal at that tier, he can spam phoenixes and go home wether they hit or not. 100% risk free gameplay while his opponents are forced in the notch and cannot put pressure back. So boring. I’d love to fly some planes at around that br but it’s simply not worth it: I’d love to play again the first su27 or the mirage4k, but now it’s really useless to even try. Even my italian f16 sits there seldom used, because I know that if I want to use it, I’ll have to constantly be on the defense. It’s a very passive gameplay that simply put isnt fun. It’s only fun for the fox3 slinger but nobody else, and people in general seem to agree with me judging how empty those lobbies usually are.
It would just be a great multi role fighter at 12.7-13.0
You can most definitely get kills with R27 ER. While the F14 is firing just notch and change elevation. For example a split S. From the deck look up in IRST, or TWS counter fire the R27ER. It moves very fast with in 15 miles which would force them to have to evade. At ranges beyond that it isn’t really worth firing.
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Or better said I can get kills with the r27ER.
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No? It has 0 A2G weapons bar a single 27mm canon.
4x Aim-9M + 4x Aim-120B
I actually wouldn’t mind it being at 12.7 - 13.0 I would get to permanently sit at the top of 13.0. Since it has a poor flight model I wouldn’t mind the Tornado F3 or the F4 ICE being a 13.0 fighter. I don’t imagine those planes being problematic.
As well as the Harrier II.
Or It could sit at the bottom of 13.3 - 14.0. I personally wouldn’t mind it being with in 12.7 - 13.0. When reflecting the replies that agreed with my post, I see that they would like to get fox 3s completely out of 12.7 - 13.0 BR range. I think that maybe 3 - 4 AIM 120 busses would be that bad. Especially when they have poor flight models and very limited armaments. I imagine people would primarily just fly the harrier II and F4 Ice and those planes are easy to counter. survive to the merge and clown them.
I imagine that you would prefer that it sits at the top of 12.7 - 13.0.
So what I’m hearing is that the F-14 is supposedly destroying low tier sim battles with it’s AFK/Skill-Check Missiles and the other BRS are also unfair.
I think the obvious solution is to buff the F-14s/Aim-54/Fakour and uptier them. The F-14 is missing plenty of capability, and adding that capability would make it be uptiered by 0.7 across the board.
not sure about 0.7, but 0.3 - yes, for 14B
and at same time not sure for 14A.
if it would be changed to late F-14A - maybe
but not with current super-hot engines, low CM amount, bad RWR
If the F-14B got Aim-7MN, Aim-9M, A proper Aim-54C, and it’s proper engine thrust, IMO, it could possibly be 13.7 given some other things were fixed like the RWR/BOL pods/Radar.
And if the F-14A would probably go to 13.0. 13.3 if it were changed to the late A model.
And the engines 100% need to be fixed. It’s plain dumb how hot they get.
13.7 with HPFR only radar… no.
13.0 at max
well, debatable, especially of current early version
best BR for both of them - 12.7, 13.0, even with fixes
13.3-13.7 is for F-14D with APG-71, AIM-120, maybe 54C+
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I would like a bracket/rotation in which it did not see an uptier, either lowering it to 13.0 as the ICE was or adding a 13.3 bracket and leaving it where it is. Would prefer the second and to move the ICE back up as its too strong for the bracket though.
But I have no need nor desire for “permament brackets” because they would cause greater issues and cannot remain for long. In the not too distant future, there will be more BRs and so a 13.7 bracket could be created and the only way a 12.7-13.0 bracket could exist is if there was also a 11.3-12.3 below it. Which would cause no end of balancing issues for many 11.3s stand little chance vs a well played 12.0 or 12.3.
It is better to keep the current system, rather than scrapping it
Proper AIM-54C means mainly smokeless motors and modeling dual planes, fix drag.
It is still not “dogfight” missiles just like AMRAAMs but, would be deadly in sim.
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Why?