You can keep saying that, I don’t care.
The discussion is about top tier. Do you even know what top tier means? your measly experience in an F4 reflects that your experience doesn’t matter. Mine does, as well as other players who are actually playing top tier.
Nothing you say actually matters because you are unable to communicate like an adult. Your experiences and viewpoint are all that matter in your small world.
Shutting people out with a different experience is counter productive to any discussion. It’s sort of your motto.
This was their only “advantage” which is rendered useless once the enemy realise they are defeated by flying low, I’m sorry but in SIM, R27ER is not very powerful, I’d rather take a AIM9M over it any day. Hopefully this low-flying meta which is crippling missile busses and Russia will be gone once Fox 3 arrives, but who knows.
And I don’t doubt that the Tornado experience is terrible.
This is unfathomable to me who played Russia a bit last year
You do know that the R27ER is defeated by flying below 30M?
I hope you mean they’re not fun to fight because they are so bad it’s not a challenge in the Gripen…
I have found that even flying at 50ft (about 15m) was sometimes not low enough to defeat R-27ER (once got hit whislt rolling down a runway, wheels on the ground)
And its unfathomable to anyone who played the other 8 nations that do in fact exist in this game, how the soviets (and in fairness the US) ever complain about anything, they get spood-fed constantly, god knows what htey’ll get in March
(heck many aircraft, inperticular the Gripen just got a massive artificial nerf regarding BOL)
You’re wrong.
Shutting someone out with no top tier experience, from a discussion regarding top tier, is not counter productive.
I just went into test-flight to get a feel for it over water since I’ve dodged hundreds if not over a thousand radar missiles in sim, 30M is safe from any radar missile, your experience could differ if you fly over some terrain, in which case you might have to fly lower because the ground below you can gain 10’s of meters when you fly over small rolling hills
I have yet to see it’s effect on the BOL pods yet, by the way they wrote it - it seems like they will remain as effective as before, but you’re forced to use twice as many? Essentially cutting the amount of flares in half without actually cutting the amount of flares in half. It’s a bit dirty but I do understand the decision gameplay-wise as it was kinda ridiculous with the Gripen in sim
But then again, we have other jets in the game with their own “ridiculous” abilities so idk
Also the way you drag the missile down matters, you can be safe at 70 meters if you do it in a dive, 30m is the absolute minimum at level flight, when shot from above it kinda counteracts the effect a bit, but barely anyone does that since it’s a death sentence do play like that
On maps like Denmark you’re better off going with 2 extra R73 than 27ER’s, sure there’s always going to be players who don’t know about the multipathing who you’ll be able to kill with the radar missiles, but anyone following the current meta will render your 27ER useless
Also if the 27ER is shot at below 500M, you’ll be able to drag it into the ground kilometers before it even reaches you
I have no idea what hte impact of BOL is yet either, not played today, but…
F-15 and of course all soviet aircraft dont have BOL, fairly clear why it was done.
Maybe, with the BVR. To be honest, Ive spent the entirity of 2023 and quite a bit of 2022 in mud movers because the fighters have been near unplayable.
Mig-23MLD was probably the best 11.3 and is still very strong (added Oct 2021) learning how to play SB in 2022 in the Phantom FGR2 sucked (why I swapped to the Jag).
Early Mig-29s were probably on par with early F-16s I think so for most of 2023 they were fine (and still outclassed anything Britain had to offer)
Post Sep 2023, Yes I think the F-16C + new F-16 FM changed things a lot. But I still couldnt fight the Mig-29SMT, if anything it was even harder. (completely stopped even trying to play EC9)
So Soviets are underperforming after nearly 2 full years of being the strongest (or joint strongest) (and probably overperforming). That might flip-flop again in 2 months back to soviets we dont know. Just kinda nice Sweden and Britain are potentially the strongest at the moment with the Gripen. Makes up for not even having a top tier for 2023
I barely have any experience before like feb-march 2023 so I can’t speak for that period.
Despite NATO side still clapping, I think one massive thing that really helps is that now all the nations have a top tier, so the nations that are on Russia’s side sometimes actually have some great stuff.
Top tier before was pretty much only 2 jets, F16 vs Mig29
Now we have F16, Gripens, and F15’s on both teams, and then Su27 and F14’s being exclusive to red/blue side. Because of this, the state of Russia isn’t as important anymore thankfully.(still discrepancies ofc like number of players on each team). I also really hope Fox 3’s will dampen the Multipathing effect a bit so that the meta isn’t just biased towards dogfighters who can render any radar missile useless with 1 braincell, this will increase the amount of jets who can put up a fight, dogfighters will still be the best dogfighters, but then the BVR built machines like F14/F15 will also be potent at their thing
That I agree with. I really really want aircraft like the Sea Harrier FA2. but if the AMRAAM can be defeated by hugging the deck, then its DOA
You are the one that doubled down on your mistake/lie.
If you actually played the game you would realize that the fact that minor nations can be used to fill out the USA vs USSR team composition. I was actually in the second game that you posted a screenshot of and around 40% of the enemy team was NATO aircraft. The highest scoring guy on the enemy team was using a Chinese F-16A.
Making pure NATO matchmaker against USSR/CHN would just be a complete stomping festival like the last patch was.
Yeah I completely forgot this whole argument stems from that god awful proposition of “historical” nation-sets.
I dont think those would be a good idea, purely because of 8 vs 2 nations currently. Obviously that wouldnt work. Though I do hope for some new nation line-ups. Like Germany starting to appear on both teams, especially when they get more “NATO” esk aircraft, like the F4F-ICE and Typhoon.
Typhoon vs Typhoon could be a bit boring.
But a US, UK, Germany and Italy vs all others could work though for example.
That could be quite good fun and probably about right numbers wise
Honestly I don’t have any huge issues with the current nation sets… They aren’t even that unhistorical for what they are. Sure you can argue for some fine adjustments, but going historical is probably just detrimental to balance since IRL - things were definitely not balanced.
MLD was only dominant until Mirage 2000 was added. It became largely irrelevant once F-14 was added. USA has been top dog in sim since then.
Early 29 was on par with F-16 because the F-16 had a 9G limit and the 29 flight model had good initial turn. Once MiG-29 SMT patch dropped the F-16A limit was changed/removed, and the 29 flight model heavily nerfed. Not only that but drag changes on the R60M took an already short range missile and made it significantly shorter.
The Aim-9L was always better than the R60M and the radar missiles have always been easy to out-play by flying low.
Yes its nice but its largely balanced out by the fact that Sweden/Britain/USA are not paired together all of the time.
We can speculate about getting rid of the 10-nation tree system and get jets separated by alliances, but honestly that’s very wishful thinking considering this is Gaijin.
Just more of a mix, like to be honest, I think ive fought against the US once. Maybe we could have different line ups. Just keeps things interesting. Like a US and USSR vs match. That could be interesting (if the player counts even out)
Tbh if we’re talking full downtiers, comparing 11.3 to 11.3 I still think Mig23 is arguably the best there is. USA mostly win at that tier because F4’s/A10’s drain tickets like hell with their bombing
And you only see someone flying the M2K-DR1 once a month
This has to be done until 10.0, 10.0 onwards should be anything goes since you have radars. In current nation sets there are multiple natokns that can have exactly same plane that goes supersoinc and on different side. It is almost impossible to come 800m to f104, or mig21 in most of subsonics.
It is the best there right now, but when it was added it was the top tier plane and once F-14 came…that is all that it was fighting.
This is one of my earliest sim games and it was 8 v 4 against a bunch of F-14s. Not every game was like this but it was a lot easier to bridge the plane gap with skill because all of the missiles were reasonable to defend against.