Actually it was done using an actual flight manual for this iirc
Ping Ralin and he can explain it better since he made the report
It was an internal report so no report was linked for the change
Makes the 13.3 and 13.7 flankers easily good enough to move up in br
0 arguments regarding “muh, radar bad” anymore
Nvm, he explained it to you already lmao
My dude I own the MKK, even as an owner I can tell it’s undertiered, what are you talking about?
Yes they absolutely shoud be moved it’s not even a debate.
In last 3 years I saw so many players suggesting BR, and even after Devs accept it theres a still a problem. Also I noticed only premiums, who are in my opinion always worst plane out of that rank, are being pushed to be moved where they are unplayable, I dont know if this is some personal beef but I hope devs stop listening to you and do their own thing. Thats me being honest. I dont think people supporting the game with money should be punished because of ARB repetitive, boring, not worthy to play game mode.
Exactly. This is a reason why I refrain from buying them. The Su-30 issue is just a manifestation of the problem of compression. People should be just complaining about compression, not this particular aircraft. I do agree that it’s hard to balance because it’s strong for 13.3 and weak for 13.7. At 13.7 there would be no reason to play them. In the meantime while waiting for decompression two more Fox-3:s could be removed while waiting for decompression. And how about the J-11A and MiG-29N, why isn’t anyone talking about them?
Not really.
these people being unaware about the su30mkk and mk2 being the old su27sm flanker fm and weapkit that was 13.7 before weapon and fm buffs+200kg heavier, its comedic how thinly veiled their defense is because they own it and abuse it.
Everyone still blaning the premium flanker when its the game
12.3 can only face 4x 13.3 jets= 24 fox 3. Nerf flanker and its f16 with 24 fox 3
The f16 can beat the flanker in a dogfight but F16a now fights the same aircraft (if flanker goes 13.7) leaving it with exactly no advantage
Careful what you wish for
It won’t be weak at 13.7 idk what are you talking about, literally Su-27SM but 2 missiles short. At 13.0 there is a cappability separation, below are planes without ARH, above are planes with ARH missiles. Anything below 13.0 fighting Su-30s have absolutely miserable time because of massive capability gap. Su-30s fighting 13.7+ jets experience sligth annoyance, there are no capability gaps, just slightly better planes.
Because those are not Premium planes that can be bought and spammed, which Su-30s are.
Absolutely insane out of touch take. It’s cool that you know about thing like turn rate, and it’s cool that you maybe saw missiless duels but this is not realities of the game. Reality of the game is such that Su-30 has better ARH missile for dogfight, it has better IR missile for dogfight, it has more of them, and it has funny button that completely negates any advantage F-16 had maneuverability vise.
Not 1 time have i seen anyone hit the button and get the kill- its the opposite. R73s are not the demented missiles they once was either.
Survive 2 loops - sometimes just 1 if they pull hard and the flanker floats about like paper bag
What difference does it make past BVR if the fox 3 has been fired by a flanker or f16? 6x 120s or 6 x 77s
That’s kind of the point of premium aircraft that they can be bought and spammed? Your comment just highlights the fact stated by @Saitama_420_psn that people try to push premiums up because they are premiums not because of their actual capabilities.
Because average flanker player leaves more to be desired. It has nothing to do with planes actual potential and capabilities.
Whatever that means. What mattters is that it can be used in dogfight at all, unlike 9M that simply lacks maneuverability to be used past initial engagmeent at all.
R-77s pulls insane at closer rannges unlike aim-120, after the buff aim-120 is much, much more usable now but R-77 does absolutely physics defying things.
I don’t even bring R-73’s. They are worthless as their IRCCM doesn’t work and they cause the need to fiddle with the secondary weapons selector to launch F3’s.
Premium Su30s arent spammed because theyre premiums but because theyre too strong at 13.3.
Dont know about him, im saying premium Su30s need to go up precisely because of their capabilities, something I know first hand as ive played MKK extensively.
Er, no, the only reason the quantity matters is there is so many of them that its 2/3rds of both teams in premium Su-30s that artificially tanks the K/D as obviously a Su-30 is evenly matched against a Su-30.
Or do you actually think it’s really only 0.3BR better then say the F-5TH-TCU at 13.0 with 2x AIM-9Ms and 2X Derbys?
The Su-30s would be middle of the pack in the 13.7 range, and FYI both @Beeschurger and I own it, so we have no interest in making it unplayable, we are just objective about it’s capabilities.
Mf, the blasted thing is better than 13.7 aircraft even
Its closest non-flanker equivalent in p performance would be the 13.7 MiG-29s
I feel this part needs some addressing, yes there are people that hate “wallet warriors” despite the fact that they keep the server hamster running, this in my opinion is stupid, for the aforementioned reason, but there are legitimate concerns when premiums become blatantly OP and the game shifts from “pay to progress” to “pay to win”.
Premiums should not, in my opinion, be the “best” at their BR, that only feeds the hostility towards premium players, they should be decently competitive, but not the best in class, that’s why I think 13.7 is an appropriate BR for the premium flankers, they would be decent, but not the best, while still gaining all the SL/RP bonuses. Which is what I think premiums should be, something you play because it gives better SL/RP, not because it’s simply better then the TT vehicles
I recently started grinding the mods for the F-15C MSIP II which is 13.7
I fought against the Su-30 premium spam in almost every battle and it did perfectly fine against other 13.7s, whether on my trsm or against.
To say it would be unplayable at 13.7 is a joke. It would be absolutely fine there.
It’s very comparable to the F-15C. You have to be bad or bias to think it couldn’t be brought up to a BR with similar aircraft
Premiums are not even close to being best planes… Players complain because the whole ARB in those BR brackets is just same repetative thing:
Thats it… like SU-30MKK has in my opinion such a bad radar it would be better without it. And when you uptire in SU-30MKK you are not wining everydog fight and having KD of 10…common be realistic.