Seal Clubbing and Smurfing in War Thunder

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I dont really see how will it work with wt grind. Like cs2 - I can understand, everyone is in equal conditions. But in wt. There is no way you can win in stock vehicle against person with equal skill and spaded vehicle. 2 t72b, same skill but one player has apfsds while other has stock heat. Or f4j with 2 aim9d and gunpod vs f4j with 4 sparrows, 4 aim9j, gunpod.

Maybe as different, rating mode. But standart mode will still suffer from seal clubbers. They will still have a chance to ruin your day during stock grind.

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Let alone also factoring in crew level

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It already does

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Yes, thats why this thread exists. The problem is that players lose anyway. You either get stomped by low tier god or get stomped because you get carcass of tank and are forced to fight against full equiped players. As I said somewhere else, gaijin could make game better but all that stops at huge wall of their greed. They could make game more pleasant to play but who will buy premiums, premium time, ge, aces, modules etc? They are interested in player suffering.

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The lower tiers are not just for new players, some people play them because those are simply the vehicles they enjoy most. Top tier is not the goal of the game and players are not forced to play their highest researched tier

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There is nothing wrong with that.

The question is always not if - but how you spend money. If you look for high quality products in general you have to pay a hell of money when you buy them, but they last for ages and save you money.

WT is in its current form has zero real value as the game is designed to earn money with kids with mini- and micro-transactions, even if a 80€ jet is no longer mini - and the f2p setup was chosen to eliminate entry barriers.

If wt would be a perfect game it would assess it real value somewhere between 300-400 € - but this without countless open and hidden nerfs, artificial success/drawbacks, MM manipulation, whilst having demanding game modes on well designed maps,… you get the point.

But in this real world such a price would limit the player base drastically - and i would meet either solely ai players - or like some years ago always the same guys at the same BRs in the same planes using the same tactics.

Therefore wt is ok when you are aware of the weaknesses of its design and setup and you are able to play around them. WT’s main selling point is that you can find various niches in which you can enjoy playing it.

This statement is actually valid for all shooters with a competitive setup. The question is how much time for research (=how to play the game) efforts you want to invest to achieve your desired goals.

Regarding you general topic:

I encourage you to check this thread:

Level 100 players on low BR

which deals with the same issues in 813 posts 😂

So get clear about your actual motivation why you play wt and which goals you you want to achieve - and act accordingly. The wt forum requires a lot of imho rather valuable recommendations of how to play in which mode, gut you need clarity of your actual goals, otherwise you get lost.

Advice by guys like @LeChance regarding crew skills is just the tip of the iceberg.

Have a good one!

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I would argue it’s a different game at different BRs. Top tier matches are often over too quickly and feel very similar nation to nation. A lot of WWII or Cold War matches are longer and have more variety. As much as I love top tier sometimes it’s fun to dogfight a skilled opponent above Normandy in a prop , shoot down a plane in a SPAA that doesn’t have radar, or defeat an opponent in a wacky vehicle that no defense department in their right mind would consider building in this day and age.
Also expecting lvl 100s to never use event vehicles they grind so hard for is a little strange. It would make most events and BPs pointless.

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The company seems to be afraid to do anything that would have an effect on queue times even if it would benefit the health of the game overall.

It’s like they think if we have a moment to think we will stop playing.

We need-
In-depth tutorials for new players
BR decompression
A more advanced matchmaking system.

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To start, you shouldn’t match other peoples’ speed, especially if you’re not comfortable doing so.

“Seal clubbers” will get to aggressive-defensible positions, but no position is invulnerable.

I am never as aggressive as the most skilled players of this game.
It doesn’t work for me.
So I play at my pace.
I play 2nd line, or 1st line in a cautious manner.

War Thunder is ultimately not a competitive game, that way War Thunder can survive for as long as possible.

So the best you can do is learn the maps, play the way you’re most comfortable with, and do what you can.

Ultimately a “seal clubber” is no different at 14.7 than at 1.0, because both are going to be highly skilled players that meme on others.

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This is me - born in the 50’s (just barely), raised on British WW2 comics in the 60’s, and WW2 and Korean war just interest me more than the modern stuff.

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Yeah, it is/can be an age/generational thing, no doubt.
People will tend to gravitate to what they are more familiar with, and often
what spurred their imagination as a youth.

When I started playing I saw the P-51 Mustang and I was hooked.
Mainly because it was my favorite plane as a kid, I saw one as a youth
at our old local airport, “English Field”(I have no idea how they got that name
here in the middle of the Panhandle in Texas . . lol, but yeah, that was it)
And that thing just looked and sounded so cool . . it was awesome

I was disappointed in the flight models of the P-51’2 here in game, and most US
planes just aren’t that great . . . really floppy and unnatural compared to most.
But that didn’t stop me . . . lol, I worked thru all the WW II stuff and early jets.
I really liked the MiG 15 & 17, but as the newer , more modern stuff arrived,
the game up there just changes . . . drastically.

I play 4.3 - 5.3 in Air AB(mainly 4.7) . . . not because it is “easy” or I do well all
of the time, because I don’t really . . . I do ok, have good games here and there, yeah.

But I like it because by that BR, most players have some decent experience and
know how to play to a degree. It is competitive, fun and closer games more often
than a lot of BR’s I have played.

I have gone down to the lower BRs and played, to grind out some camos or something
like that, and believe me, those lvl 8’s & 10’s have no issues or moral reservations about
shooting this lvl 100 down . . . toot sweet! . . lol

I like all the planes and tanks from Reserves up to a certain point, yeah mainly WW II
But in ships I prefer the bigger ships at the higher BRs for the most part, and I play
AB & RB in naval.
To each their own, we all like different things and that’s cool. The game is HUGE now
with something for just about everybody.

I always say, play what you like, what you have fun playing . . whatever that is

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Out of all my friends who I tried getting into war thunder none of them stayed. It’s just the way the game is eventually it’ll die off as it hits its peak but overall enjoy it while you can.

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I mean aren’t most MMOs like not plug and play?

That’s what they all say when the numbers don’t even drop significantly

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Most are easy to get into War Thunder is not on that list.

It’s okay, all games come to an end eventually War Thunder is no exception

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Lots of respect for the older gamers out there, wish there were more out there as video games aren’t just for children. I’m only in my 20s and sometimes this community makes me feel Old at times so it can be daunting to say hello or express concern and frustration amidst a sea of 14 year olds who think they are the boss.

I fully understand your annoyance with seeing some more hardcore players such as myself in low tier. It can feel like we are just there to abuse new players. Especially when the match has been turned one sided almost single handedly my myself or another long time player, or worse a 4 man squad of us.

Also glad to see that you aren’t interested in the grind, it’s an unhealthy relationship with the game to only be in it for the grind, whenever I get a new vehicle I treat it as a random new thing to mess with rather than the goal.

Most of us aren’t doing it for the sealclubbery, we just like the vehicles that happen to be at said BR and the floggings dished out are an unintended byproduct. Cromwell’s, rams and Churchill’s are my bread and butter when I’m not running about in a scimitar bullying MBTs and AFVs that should be much higher than they currently are.

I also agree that war thunder is an unbalanced mess of a game, had plenty of disagreements with people over which ones are on this site, namely panzer 4 with a long 7.5cm or the T-34

I do wish that war thunder taught players more before sending them into the ring to fight people with thousands of hours and thousands of matches in an individual vehicle as until you learn how to eyeball ranges, weak spots and other seemingly niche things that end up being a requirement (I’ve played for so long I couldn’t name them, after all do fish have concept of water?)

I appreciate the lack of skill based matchmaker in this game as not every match is a sweatfest but it has it’s victims too which is unfortunate.

This game has almost certainly lost millions of players from the awful learning curve, matchmaking process and sealclubs

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I get it, as a Level 100 do go back down in BR but under stand I am there for one of three reasons.
1.) I’m burning a new country. I have top tier in 3 nations.
2.) I’m trying to reset my enjoyment of this game, Top tier is as many of us joke about “toxic” at times, sometimes we are just having a bad night and need to “reset” our game play.
3.) As others said, “enjoyment of a given lineup.” France/Germany/US 7.7 for example.

While others may agree or disagree with me, those are the only reasons I drop down.

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We are literally having the same gun firing range without target customization for like since Ground battle came to the game.

Stat cards are literally useless as they have always been.

Crew level system… do I need to say more…

They indeed want the frustration to be the core of the game.

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Top tier ground is not exactly fun. I like to take breaks from the missile hell sometimes.

Plus when gaijin gives me a low rank event vehicle, am i not supposed to use it?

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The only useful information is buried is secondary screens or on statshark, a 3rd party webpage…

That’s if it’s even a spoken of mechanic, I don’t remember the last time I last say somewhere mention that the first round in a belt determines all autocanon or machine gun shot trajectory and velocity, so the “best” looking belt isn’t always best.

The wiki is useless too. There’s some things I’ve only found out from quite literally looking at the games code…

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God I miss the old wiki man…

Agreed. It kinda baffled me when I found out that rangefinding isn’t automatically assigned a button and you have to figure out its existence yourself. War Thunder is in desperate need of a tutorial rework.

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