Sd.Kfz.234 Pz II Ausf.L Turret

[Ghostmaxi]

Would you like to see this in-game?

• Yes
• No

I would like to suggest the unique Sd.Kfz.234 with a Pz II Ausf.L turret and 2 cm KwK 38 L/65.
It would offer another fast, well armored and fun vehicle as an event vehicle and alternative to the 234/1, for those who missed it.

Historically speaking, the Sd.Kfz.234 was the late war redesign and improvement for a new Schwere Panzerspähwagen with a multitude of rolls, based on the Sd.Kfz.231, however with improved profile, armor profile and armament as well as with a new more powerful Air cooled Diesel 220 Ps Tetra engine. Which Overtook production of 231s in 1943 with the /1 Having the 2 cm KwK 38 L/65 in Hängelafette to be able to fight Infantry, light targets, and Aircraft, the /2 was armed with a 5 cm KwK 39/1 L/60 in a fully protected turret against more armored targets, the /3 with 7,5 cm K.51 L/24 for infantry support similar to the previous Sd.Kfz.233 and the /4 as a dedicated fast Tank destroyer with 7,5 cm Pak 40 L/46.

This unique one is however equipped with a fully protected Pz II Ausf. L turret and 2 cm KwK 38 L/65, in comparison with the 234/1 it will have more armor, a roof at the cost of elevation.

The exact reason why it was produced is unknow, but considering the war situation and somewhat slow production of Pz II Ausf.L, they probably simply had a turret in stock and placed it upon the Sd.Kfz.234 hull.

Pictures:(Click to show)

https://youtu.be/LCML7rvI52M

The Gun
2 cm KwK 38 L/65 and Coax Mg 34
250 Rounds, 450-480 Rpm, 10 round mags.
-10° to +20° 360° travers 25°/sec or higher.

Ammo: Different AP and HE rounds. 148g/820(800 for L/50)m/s to 120g/920(900 for L/50)m/s and HVAP 100g/1050m/s
For more info (and ease of editing when new/more info is available, ill only add it here:

German WW1/2 Tank, Anti Tank guns and more of 7,92mm - 21 cm

Here I created an Index of Self propelled and used german Tank, Anti Tank and other guns and their ammunition. Going from small (7,92mm) to the biggest (21 cm) Howitzergun which where used in a self propelled form. Ill add a little WW1 Section after Part 2. Also make shure to check out my other 2 Posts about AA Guns as well as Aircraft Armarments. Ill leave Propaganda Flyer rounds, Marker rounds and most duplicate rounds (of same function) out. Inside of the folder i will add special info ab…

Armour	Front (Slope angle)	Sides	Rear	Roof
Hull	30 mm (40°) Front plate
	15 mm (70°), 30 mm (55°) Front glacis
	30 mm (35°) Lower glacis	8 mm (34-35°) Top
	8 (19-35°) + 4 mm	10 mm (21-46°)	5 mm
Turret	30 mm ) Turret front
	30 mm Gun shield	20 mm	20 mm	10 mm

Source:
Private collection
Munition der 2 cm Waffen
Sd.Kfz.234 Manual

[JamesPond1200-psn]

Never knew this conversion existed. Very cool! +1

[someweirdname]

now that looks like a Field Modification/Repair

[warner7]

Cool mod, +1 in techtree so I can play it :)

[TT33a]

Sd.Kfz. 234 with Luchs Turret in Czechoslovakia 1945

Unfortunately, vid is only a couple of seconds

[Shchuchiy_Nos]

+1

[BSpiel8-live]

These two photos show the vehicle in better detail


Here is a model interpretation, which should be fairly accurate considering it’s a combination of two well-photographed vehicles.

[jon_man1199]

A +1 from me would be neat to see

[codor23866]

A close tech tree counterpart to the other 2cm puma, hopefully around 2.0br. Maybe this would encourage the Pz 2 L to be added! +1

[codor23866]

What BR do you think this vehicle would sit at. 2.0 or 2.3? I couldn’t see it being much higher than that.

[PlayedStatue626-live]

+1 quite a strange vehicle

[OsirisD]

We need more wheeled and halftrack vehicles, preferably in TT and low tier.

[Leo2A6EX-live]

+1 unique mod

[Jarms]

Probably 2.3 so you can squeeze it into Rank II.

You could then swap places with the Sd.Kfz.234/2 and Max/Emil folder, then make the Sd.Kfz.234/2 Rank III.

Something like this. Don’t mind the icon, I just reused the 234/1.

[Ghostmaxi]

I doubt it will go higher (or anything else) than 2.0.
The limiting factor is the gun not the vehicle or turret, not to mention you loose the Coax MG 42, AA strength and armor protection, just to be save from overpressure, which is a relative statement conciddering the 8mm side armor.

[Jarms]

These are so incredibly minor. Gaining scouting and airstrike, as well as no longer being open-topped are far more important.

[Ghostmaxi]

Open topped really isnt a problem in the first place, what can hit you, that can overpressure you, that cant easily destroy you anyway? Not to mention the basically flat turret, compared to the on 2 plane angled 30mm Gunshield of the /1.
Obviously its in general a minor difference, but Scouting wont be the changing factor to have it Rank II.

[Jarms]

Having it at rank II is the only way to give it scouting.

Open-topped and enclosed turrets are a massive deal for Gaijin. It’s the reason why the Skink is (lol) 5 BR steps above the Wirbelwind.

[Ghostmaxi]

Its really not a primary AA vehicle, neither are. Thats as i sayed befor, really not a changing factor, it simply isnt BR. 2.3 material, be it still Rank II. Thats all im saying.

[Jarms]

You also get -10 degrees of gun depression compared to -4. Which I’d argue is far more significant than losing the elevation, you’re not an SPAA. You’re a light tank.

I also don’t see why you’re saying you lose armour protection. The Luchs turret is better armoured?

• Front: 30mm, the same.
• Sides: 20mm, 6mm more.
• Rear: 20mm, 6mm more.

At rank II and with scouting, this thing is basically a low tier Fox. It has enough penetration for flanking.