Schützenpanzer Puma IFV: The Good, The Bad, The Ugly. Part 2!

which is strange since iirc it was designed to take 30mm from the front and 14.5 from the side in the lightest config and the C-armour variant (which we have in game ) should also be able to take 30 from the side. Not certain about the range.

from wiki:

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The basic armor can resist direct hits from 14.5 mm Russian rounds, the most powerful HMG cartridge[28] in common use today (and up to twice as powerful as the western de facto standard 12.7 mm .50 BMG cartridge).[29] The frontal armor offers protection against medium caliber projectiles and shaped charge projectiles.[30] In protection class C, the flanks of the Puma are up-armored to about the same level of protection as is the front, while the roof armor is able to withstand artillery or mortar bomblets.

The whole vehicle is protected against heavy blast mines (up to 10 kg) and projectile charges from below, while still retaining 450 mm ground clearance. Almost all equipment within the cabin, including the seats, has no direct contact to the floor, which adds to crew and technical safety. All cabin roof hatches are of the side-slide type, which make them easier to open manually, even when they are obstructed by debris. The exhaust is mixed with fresh air and vented at the rear left side. Together with a special IR-suppressing paint, this aims at reducing the thermal signature of the IFV.

according to the AMAP wiki, the PUMA uses both AMAP-B & AMAP SC.

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AMAP-B

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AMAP-B (ballistic) provides protection against kinetic energy penetrators such as bullets, autocannon calibers such as 20 mm to 30 mm, and against APFSDS of tank guns like modern 120 mm or 125 mm rounds. Like MEXAS AMAP-B exists in three versions. Light offers protection against small arms for light armoured or soft-skinned vehicles, helicopters, aircraft and boats.[6] The medium version of AMAP-B is normally used on medium armoured vehicles such as the IFVs and APCs. These vehicles normally need protection against autocannons up to 30 mm caliber. The heavy AMAP-B version is for use on tanks.[6]

AMAP-SC

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AMAP-SC (shaped charge) has a very high mass-efficiency, the EM is between 8 and 10.[12] AMAP-SC has multi-hit capability and protects also against other threats including mines.[12] Since AMAP-SC is passive armour, in contrast to ERA, no explosives are used, so collateral damage is reduced to a minimum.

I was talking about it being designed like that by Gaijin

Real life counterpart is different

chat gpt tends to take any article or anything as true since it cant define between propaganda or lies, so yeha dont take chatgpt or any AI as a source if you want source look at procurements, EDR magazine its also good but only as a secondary source, and even some pdf’s

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there is bug reports with more than enough proof that show how Clara ERA works against kinetic and that it can stop 30 mm apfsds, i have document regarding that if needed, Clara its basically an insensitive ERA wich only reacts to heat charges but also acts as a cushion for kinetic

I don’t think there has been an extensive bug report on CLARA, at least not since Gaijin changed the bug reporting system

prob will work in one by this weekend regarding the armor, i have a primary source i just need a secondary one for clara

When MUSS fix

Doesn’t really matter since almost all missiles the Puma faces dont care about electro-optical aps

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Seems like MUSS 2.0 is needed

Still would’t be useful as an aps, but if Gaijin adds the ability to slave smoke launchers to the LWS it would be a bit useful since it can also detect beam riding missiles unlike a generic LWS

2.0 wouldn’t be able to defeat beam riding missiles?

No as far as i can tell

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it still matters because it also acts as a missile warning system not only an softkill aps

no, beam riding missiles are impossible to defeat currently by any system that isnt an active protection system

“In addition to soft-kill countermeasures against ATGM threats, the multi-level system also offers the option of integrating hard-kill effectors.

Wonder what they’re cooking up 🤔🤔

this is something they showed us last eurosatory, it was the integration of other hardkill into the system as a 3rd barrier against any threat, the soft kill will attempt to jam the missile if it cant it will tell the hardkill to take action and its gonna warn the hardkill of the position of the missile, like i said demonstrated in last eurosatory but it was in a mockup and nothing else

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MUSS 2.0 has more potential for future integration since it allows the system to classify missiles more precisely

https://community.gaijin.net/issues/p/warthunder/i/EVdGUnF5edRU