Your defence about Sabre/MiG-15 sounds opposite to that.
If you really don’t want to get your F-86 sees MiG-21F or F-104A
Then, in a decompressing way, extend the top BR into something larger than 14.0
and place the current 9.3 supersonics higher than now.
Then why the hell are you defending F-86, which is one of the nastiest 8BR jets that creates another compression over compression?
This makes no sense.
You don’t get it? The problem is these two were the ONLY jets given this treatment. YES they will suffer if they go up, just as EVERY PEER OF THEIRS DOES WHO DID NOT RECEIVE A DOWNTIER LIKE THE MIG15/F86 DID
Do you really not see how you are directly implying it when you defend the mig15/f86 downtiers and say “but oh my god what would happen if they saw 9.3?” as if their PEERS don’t STILL have this issue. You’re also aware that downtiering stuff causes compression so idk why you don’t just realize the solution here is to FIRST uptier the MiGs and F86s BACK to where they BELONG and THEN DECOMPRESS so that ENTIRE BRACKET suffers less as a result.
So after all this you agree with me that compression is a problem and then still harp on about the Sabres and MiG-15s 🤦
Where am I defending any one jet? Read my response to Ion Protogen. In every case I point out how compression is a serious problem regardless or moving up or down in BR.
Yes exactly, compression. You still haven’t figured out that you’re agreeing with me while still crying about the Sabre and MiG over and over as though they were your first born.
Wrong. Already explained why and decompression needs to happen first. You don’t start building a house without setting a foundation first
Man, even Alvis in a bad mood makes a better claim than this :/
Both F-86 and MiG-15/17 were among the best subsonic jets in 8.0-8.7 BR radius before they got shameless buff which creates another compression by Gaijin last year.
Gaijin buffed them because of 9.3BR supersonics like Su-7, Q-5A early, and F-104A
AS SPECIAL TREATMENT for those famous two.
If Gaijin really wanted to solve 9.3BR supersonic in ‘lame buff which will create compression’ way
Every other early jet which suffers from 9.3BR supersonic should’ve buffed in same patch.
But nuh uh, only Sabre/MiGs got special treatments.
in the name of ‘not enough stats’ bullshit.
It seems all WT players are equal, but US and USSR are more equal than others.
I sincerely don’t understand how you can be aware of compression, aware of decompression, AWARE of how the mig15/f86 are simply better than the other jets at the same BR as them, and still think the current status quo is fine.
So what about the G.91, Venom, Javelin, Swift, MD.450, MD.452, SMB2, F-86K, Me-163, Ki-200, Hunter, etc in the meantime? Because all of these are = to the F86/MiG
According to sabre problem,
I can’t wait to see AV-8A/C get buffed down to 9.3BR because they are subsonic and shouldn’t face furious supersonic jets like MiG-21SMT
While Harrier GR.3 pays british tax and goes up to 10.0BR because F3H Demon can’t fight against AIM-9G spam.
The key word here is “supersonics”. Any player with half a brain can dunk on Sabres if they use their energy advantage. Compression is still an issue and you’re still looking at the trees instead of the forest.
Then every jet they’d face in downtiers would suffer even more. 🤦
Lmao tinfoil hat much?
That is why F-86 and MiG-15 never should’ve get buffed at all.
That is my line.
Have you actually been reading my comments? In literally the first one I say that 7.7 to 12.7 suffers from compression. Does that sound like me agreeing with the status quo? You can harp on and on about the Sabres and MiGs all you like but moving them up or down will just cause the same problems in a different direction.
Then they’d suffer against those supersonics 🤦. Why are you having such a hard time looking both up and down the BR brackets?
Lol what? You’ve been quoting two specific fighters this whole time while I’m calling out gaijin for multiple BR brackets yet I’m the one missing the forest?
Decompression issue, but it’s still objectively better than the questionably BR’ed Mig-15. It’s equal to the bis, so it should be the same BR.
Yes, but there shouldn’t be objectively and considerably better planes at the same BR.
The only props they face are either overtiered or very good. Props also don’t exist at 7.0, so all Me-163s and the Ki-200 are not undertiered at 8.0. They have less than 3 mins of fuel at full throttle too.
But they’re a side grade of the Mig-19s, and their BR should reflect that. Right now they are balanced at 9.7 in my opinion, and 10.0 would overtier them.
And that’s not as much of an issue, since most planes at 10.3 are supersonic and have some sort of decent missile.
I agree, but that doesn’t mean that under/overtiered planes don’t exist.
We really need to be at 16.0 max BR by now.
It is only you who are having problem looking left and right.
Yes. korean war era subsonics shouldn’t suffer from supersonics.
but, in ‘that way’ which buffing F-86A-5 and MiG-15 down to 8.0 was wild.
it becomes even wilder when THERE IS TONS OF DOMESTIC JETS WHICH ACTS WORSE BUT HAVE HIGHER BR.
If you really thought any about compression and decompression
Sending current 9.3 supersonic to 9.7 and vice versa suits better than
‘just cherrypicks two famous and broken jet and washing mouth’
Yeah but doesn’t change the fact that it’d still face supersonics anyway. Same problem as the Tornado.
But the same problem exists. Even if you split the BRs it just shifts the issues in a different direction.
My mistake. I thought you meant 7.7. 3 minutes can be stretched in a Me 163 considerably unless you’re stuck on a map that’s too large.
Anyone who had to face them in a MiG-15bis or MiG-17 or equivalent wouldn’t call them balanced.
True but the Aspides give a much better advantage in head ons and the 104’s speed is an added asset.
If you looked at the BR brackets as a whole, the differences become insignificant.
Exactly. This needs more traction.
Lmao since when do BRs go left and right ? 😂
You move them back to 8.3 and you’d have to move the entire Sabre family up too yet again forcing them to fight supersonics more often. Buffed or not, no Sabre or MiG-15 has the initiative against a supersonic fighter. You’re stuck waiting for a mistake or looking for third party kills. This isn’t low tier where new players routinely try to turnfight Zeroes and get wasted
And what happens when they’re stuck in 10.7 lobbies with hordes of J-7Ds having 30G PL-7s? Or F-5Cs and F-5As that can outrate and out accelerate them with ease? Fyi you’re the one doing the cherry picking
Me when I see Hunter F.1, which was one of best counterpart of MiG-15bis, MiG-17, CL-13 :(
Even in a world where decompression happens, the Sabres and MiGs will still have to be moved up regardless. In fact, they need to be moved up exactly because of decompression. They went from victims of compression to beneficiaries of compression.
You cannot both argue for global decompression, then argue that the Sabres and MiGs are fine where they are and shouldn’t be touched until decompression happens. They victimize that entire BR spread.
you are completley ignoring other counterparts which suffers against supersonics but rejected to get buff.
Yes please.
It is not only Sabre/MiG-15’s problem. It is every 8BR subsonic jet’s problem.
Yes. You are the only one who looks tree when we need to see the forest.
in same theory about [we shouldn’t buffed F-86 at all but needed to nerf F-104 instead]
if F-104A seeing J-7 became problem, send J-7D and other 10.7 into 11.0
If J-7D seeing F-4S becomes a problem, send F-4S and the other 12.0 into 12.3 and so on.
I just can’t get why the f- are you so obsessed about keeping sabres safe and sound in 8BR
While Mystere and Scimitar face T-2 and gets AIM-9P shot.
None of the 7.7 and 12.7 jets are fine where they are because of compression which has been my point all along. You move them up or down you’re creating a whole new set of problems.
So, Keeping the sabre and MiG-15 abuse all along in downtiers because moving them will create other problem?
How clueless you are.