The US players constantly tried to TURN in their Mustangs and P47s with A6Ms and were wondering why are they losing constantly when “Japan lost the war” and how is it possible for them to lose in a VASTLY superior aircraft and that its unrealistic etc etc. They are considered the worst playerbase since day 1! Weirdly German FWs fighting UK Spitfires didnt have this issue, wonder why… Also Mustangs climb better, are faster, have higher top speed and dont lock their controls in a dive or going above 500kmh like A6Ms do. Level flight on ANY altitude there was absolutely no way a Zero could catch a P51 unless itself was engaged in turn fights with a Zero and thus lost so much speed that Zero could catch it before P51 extended away. Dora D13 fought Meteors, Sabres, Migs and P80s because it got so uptiered by the stats yet it still was able to do something. Meanwhile P51 which should be in the same bracket was fighting early props…P51 also turned MUCH better than D13 and if I remember correctly was slightly faster in a dive than D13 by about 20ish kmh. Zeros were also so bad at higher alts that rarely anyone even climbed above 4500m. Shiden Kai was the only one capable of doing anything at those high alts if there even was anyone there to fight which quite often wasnt.
Not at low altitude, P-51’s for example have much worse times to 3k from sea level. even when optimally climbing.
Sure, top speed might be higher but the worse acceleration allows them to be caught if they don’t carefully maintain energy. and are much more rigid in needing to reset properly to maintain an advantage and so often need to bail out of a dive in order to no get caught on the extension because they can’t get guns on
Exactly A quarter of a turn or less is often enough to loose that edge you have irrevocably, you really do need to make the chances you do get to make a clean pass work.
This isn’t that much of a notable event don’t forget the game didn’t start with BR’s implemented and there was no level restriction in lobbies before that.
baiting players to lower altitudes isn’t that hard neither is not falling for a rope-a-dope or chandelle.
Yeah, because their opponents either got run down while climbing due to poor time to altitude. or gave up on climbing entirely and went to achieve other win conditions(mow the grass, or intercept attackers / first fighter they saw) rather than countering interceptors since no one on their team climbs since they have no workable advantage when first encounters occur since optimal climb speeds put you at such a massive energy disadvantage, and there is no way to earn tickets up there after they removed recon planes as an objective.
Energy fighters always asked for more discipline and careful flying than turn fighters but guess what…other nations had such planes too yet only US struggled
So which props do the US have that turn? P-39 / P-63? and that’s basically it.
You do know that energy fighters are vastly superior to the turn fighters right? Different playstyle sure, needs more discipline in energy management? Sure. But if done right you are literally untouchable! Turn fighters were always profiting from people making mistakes because otherwise they CANT REACH THEM!
Such as?
Because Germany had fighters that can easily climb quite well and perform in both dogfight and energy fight.
British planes were also the same.
Italians? They performed so well in G56 its repair cost went up to 60k at one point due to how good it can climb and dogfight.
USSR? Also same.
Only USA planes required significantly more discipline compare to other tech trees.
Only exception I can remember is the initial release of F-8F’s, those things were broken when they first introduced.
That rule only works when your enemy has less than two braincell, otherwise you can’t simply beat them by yourself in energy fighter only.
Even in real life Us pilots were baiting zero pilots to beat them by using another wingman.
The whole German FW line required MUCH more discipline than anything in the US tech tree because they turned MUCH worse and didnt regain energy as good up until D9. British had the Tempest series, Russians had the La9, although everything in RU was a mixed bag, jack of all trades master of none sort of. Japan had the Ki61s, other nations werent even in the game back than…
Sure if you know what you are doing, and your opponent doesn’t. But based of the BR of certain aircraft like the Corsair and the Zero. it should be blatantly obvious that the average player doesn’t.
So well, while a true statement the stats don’t reflect it due to a lack of skill on the median player’s part since its so much easier to just throw the mouse around the pad to capitalize on the lack of diligence of said energy fighter.
No it didn’t because during those times German teams had whole discipline which allowed you to make mistakes and not get punished.
Tempest series also climbs pretty well compare to most US planes.
You mean the broken La-9 that had insane high altitude,climb and dogfight capabilities?
Yea I remember that, in fact I used every single planes you mentioned except Anton series and they weren’t as difficult to perform as you claimed.
How did catching Tigercat go? Bearcat? Right, uncatchable… also why are we talking this stuff in tanks thread again?
I already mentioned about bearcat on my previous comment in case you didn’t noticed as for Tigercat you can add it to list if you want but remember, for every single broken us plane there is almost 3 times more in almost every single tech tree.
Never forget that.
Dont know just got here and noticed the conversation about us planes.
Technical Limitations - ie we’re not skilled enough to code it
A WTlive mod already exists lmao
WT Engine is specially designed to turn normal tanks into premium tanks with as little effort as possible
And the goalpost has predictably been moved.
You very specifically complained that only Russia is allowed to have vehicles which never entered service, only reached prototype status, were test beds, etc. That claim is nonsense and the massive list I could come up with off the top of my head already proves it’s nonsense.
So instead of admitting your claim was hyperbole, you’ve now moved the goalpost to: ‘‘Oh but they weren’t easy to play’’, but then you conveniently leave out the fact that the Russian stuff also isn’t universally easy to play.
But that is of course typical for the average Russian Bias complainer that hasn’t actually played Russia themselves. They’ll believe that ‘Grass is always greener on the other side’.
But ignoring everything I just said, I’ll still debunk that with:
- FV4202 didn’t require any skill one release. Stabilized lolpen gun with insane frontal armour for the time.
- XP-50 was the gold standard for horrendously overpowered P2W props for years and years.
- MBT-70 didn’t require any skill on release, just hold W and curbstomp Chieftain Mk10’s, Type 74’s and T-64A’s.
- T58, lol.
- Coelian is just Hold LMB and watch the shells glitch their way through armour holes and frontally knock out IS-3’s, T32E1’s, T-54’s, etc. etc.
- T29 is hardly a high skill ceiling vehicle.
M1/IPM1/AH-1Z were significantly more overpowered for 7 straight months than the BMPT is.
But that is conveniently forgotten about.
Because for every one of your cherry-picked examples of Russian favouritism, you can find multiple examples of NATO favouritism.
The difference between you and me are:
- I’ve actually played both sides, and I know what vehicles are/were actually overpowered.
- I don’t cherry-pick examples only from one side of the argument. I can acknowledge that the BMPT is broken, but also that it isn’t any more broken than plenty of non-Russian vehicles have been throughout War Thunder’s history.
You don’t seem to understand what the argument was.
- ammorack eating spalling and not generating any (for all tanks, but will affect russian ones mainly)
- Re-align values between Western and russian NERA (western one is a pure guesstimate from Gaijin anyway)
- not for the tanks but on the CAS issue : LMUR 8 => 4 on Mi28MN (no wiring on the inner pylons for this missile), remove KH38MT on all planes (KH38ML can stay)
Russian ones mainly? Why? How is not spalling inside of a Leopards turret less bad than it happening in a RU tank?
Ask western sources to provide whatever they have since pretty much all data on RU tanks comes from them and their capture of east german T72s and alike inspections.
Any data about the lack of wiring for the LMUR?
KH38MT is arguable yet not entirely unrealistic
Though this is a topic about tanks so basically the last point is disregarded.