Russian top tier tanks need a fair buff

Because the ammorack is sitting inside the turret basket on T- tanks and not on any western design ? If a round pens in that area, it should blow up no questions asked.

Modern NERA packages like TUSK, AZUR and the brit one i can’t remember the name of are a bit more recent than old cold wars t-72s, so I fail to see how they can conclude anything from such “studies”

Sure

This has been discussed to death already, I won’t comment on it again

Not quite, this topic is attached to ground battles and one line up capability does not depend on tanks alone.
I will agree that russian tanks aren’t the best currently, more like middle of the pack, but if you buff them like it is suggested, one nation will get :

  • best tanks or among the best anyway
  • best helis (Mi28 + LMUR)
  • best IFVs (or whatever BMPT is)
  • best fixed wing CAS (KH38)
  • competitive AAs (Pantsir + BUK)
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The t80bvm in real life has a reload of 3.7 when the autoloader is already on the ammo that its loading since it does not need to rotate to get any amunition but that would make it unfair

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If a penetrator going like 1500m/s enters a tank, ammo or no ammo the crew turns into Rio Mare Patte so EVERY tank is done…best case scenario is you run out of the tank. Weird shell behaviour is just as bad on every other nations tanks as it is on RU…

Well TUSK,AZUR and whatever isnt in the same BR bracket as Kontakt-1 is it? Also arent they made for completely different purpose? Battleing shaped charge only? Genuine question

Regarding LMURs, I have no idea honestly. Couldnt care less about Helis in general so if theres data, fine

38MT, Izdeliye 65MT, GRAU Index, company offering it all suggest it exists but isnt being produced but okay.

Oh btw I am DEFINITELY NOT suggesting that RU tanks need a fair buff! Gaijin should firstly clean up their codes so that stuff behaves reliably and only than we can see what needs adjusting…

Necrons if only a few words… how do you explain flightpath of hellfires/jagms vs lmurs? why wont they repair it and buff them out specially that lower br ka-50 is a beast? how much obvious things like that need to be for you to stop denying bias?

Edit: This up there is only one example of obvious things. and the only reason russia dones not have betetr w/r is because a lot of ba dplayers switched to them and are using high tier premiums for fast XP gain…

Soo basically “Source: trust me bro”

Not sure about LMURs launch options but Hellfires arent exactly wrong since Hellfires DO have the option of launching stuff without the LOFT option

Ka-50 a beast? huh?

If a similar source was posted about the NM having the ability to mount 8 LMURs, you’d be all for it lol

So far 1:0 in favor of NM not being able to mount 8 of them, tho.

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more like still 0:0…

I’m not a CAS player and I have no interest in modern aviation, I’m not qualified to answer in the slightest.

As always: For every case of ‘‘obvious’’ bias for Russia, you can find multiple examples of ‘‘obvious’’ bias for non-Russian vehicles/nations.

I’m just not cherry-picking my examples to suit an agenda.

I’m not entirely sure if it’s fair for you to criticize ‘‘Bad players’’ when practically every high tier tank you play is sitting on a negative K/D.

You also can’t seriously act as though the average US or German high tier player is any better than the average Russian high tier player right now. It’s a total clownfest across all three.

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Well honestly that linked source is just as good as 38MT having GRAU index, offered by the company and being linked to the Izd. 65MT seeker head so if we accept that semi source for the lack of existence of 8 LMURs why dont we accept the semi source for the existence of 38MT?

Got a photo of the NM mounting 8 LMURs?

That appears to be an excerpt from a manual if anything, too, so if a manual states that’s the amount, that’s likely it. That isn’t comparable to a GRAU index for a seeker that hasn’t ever been mounted to anything, even a mock-up.

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Source vs no source

Feel free to stay in denial, tho :)

And not gonna lie, I have not been able to find anything that ever states up to 8 LMURs are possible:

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Max is always 4, likely due to weight.

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Found this on some greek website about red aviation…

Well its actually comparable since in order to get a GRAU index in russian military something must pass the trials, tests and whatever and be production capable otherwise its still classified as a prototype. So it probably exists in some form but I highly doubt it is being produced since its probably too expensive for them currently, dont have the production set up since none on the export market bought it and also the thing same as with SPICE and what not doesnt work even remotely close as it does in game but hey War Thunder is a realistic game after all lol

Edit: Bruh, same photo? LMAO

Thats goes for plenty of stuff.

F15c ge for exemple, only stated that it got a upgrade. Have we see it with the 8 amram on wing ? No

Or the double rail r77 on su30mkm.
And many more.

Also you cant expect to reduce any heli munition without a br decrease. 16 missile vs 4 kinda feel not fair.

Instead of focusing on munition that will unfair. Why dont we focus on actual bugs like the penetrative war head of the 179 and many more other

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Then give me proof of the bias in nato nations and then compare it’s effect on w/r or general performance in game. Like kh38 vs … lmur vs… turret basket vs… come on ;)

Just because they have the option to launch non lofted it does not mean they have to have it permanently locked specialy that some tanks can survive up to 4 hits from hellfires because of it’s flightpath …

yes ka-50 is a beast even after nerf… fast missiles you can shoot multiple at once denying enemy spaa chance to intercept you and then kill it… proxy fuze adds lethality as well…

Its not in game what your talking…

Same as why laser atgm have not loft. Even for ground where they’re suppose to.

Bmp2 8.7 atgm can have loft.

“Just because they have the option to launch non lofted it does not mean they have to have it permanently locked specialy that some tanks can survive up to 4 hits from hellfires because of it’s flightpath …”

I agree!

Ka-50 well firing multiple vikhrs is possible irl same with proxy fuze and them shooting down flying stuff. The fact that Ka-50 is even in the game is what baffles me… that thing was pleasant to use irl as being stabbed in the ear

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8 LMURs

but tbf no photo/video with more then 2/4