Then can i get Obj 195 with intergrated radar and 30mm coax ? Its from 2000x definitely not modern.
Oreshnik for 956 sp
That is modern and as we heard we can’t have modern stuff its bias
Thanks for proving my point lmao
Prooving what ? Your point has nothing to do with discussion. And game balance doesn’t go on age of equipment and if age was relevant i would see IS-3 on 6.3 and T-54 on 6.7.
So you admit nato is superior.
No.
Then why is it unbalanced? You are contradicting yourself here.
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Just out of question how do you explain things as not being biased towards Russia?
Like how do you explain things like the KH-38MT(A missile so lacking in information the debate about it isn’t even what it can do, but if it even exists) which is one-sidedly the best ATGM in the game and was added in a time when nobody could start to counter it?
How do you explain things like the Pantsir being added in the same update as a major nerf to the ADATS and other western systems causing a complete lopsided dominance of the air when it came out?
The fact most additions to the game aren’t added until Russia can be given it and often times they are given it first for example spall liners which Nato tanks that had been in the game for years never got, until Russia was given an MBT with them, and even then it took a while for other tanks to get spall liners.
What’s the explanation as to why they still haven’t received as many internal components and why the Autoloader Carousel doesn’t stop the T-series tanks from aiming while NATO tank turret baskets do even though A damaged turret basket wouldn’t cause the effects in game, or the fact that for the longest time and this might still be the case the Powder charges that stand upright in the carousel of the T-series tanks don’t explode when hit despite being the most explosive prone thing in the tank.
The fact Russian tanks are extremely well modeled and get fixes to the models quickly, yet its been like eight years and we still don’t even have the proper fuel tank bulkheads on the Abrams a bug report that has been accepted for like two years at this point.
Why are Russian ATGMS and other missiles allowed the ability to overpressure enemy vehicles but NATO warheads with as large or larger HEAT heads can’t even though they are high explosive and at the payload hitting the tank would cause an overpressure to the crew?
Why was the LMUR the only ATGM in the game to receive proper Lofting and still is the only one to have a proper loft angle, despite other vehicles having spikes, hellfires, and whatever the chinese thing is for year predating the LMUR and on that note why did they nerf the armor values without a source provided on the LEO2A7 and Merkava so that a LMUR could cause overpressure on the tanks.
And are you really going to say that there has never been any bias towards Russia in the game, when the entire Bug Report forum had to be reorganized and changed because of the actions of the moderators in dealing with reports regarding NATO and Russian tanks?
Last one Russian top tier naval, which is literally all made up stuff that isn’t even slightly accurate to the tiny documentation known about it, and is game breaking to top tier naval (which is even better when you consider they couldn’t be bothered to model a single one of the other countries top tier naval ships correctly lmao)
Yes there are standout examples of other nations getting things here and there that were broken, but most of them were fixed extremely quickly and placed in appropriate BR’s, and secondly the list of like all the broken things combined from other nations is shorter than Russia’s list.
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Yeah yeah “skill issue” lmao. Weakest argument ever, but I understand it’s all a 100 iq can muster. Gonna put you on ignore too since you bring nothing of value to the discussion.
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It’s easy to see russia is a paper tiger irl. All their vaunted equipment are jokes.
KH38MT on the Su-34 and Su-30SM/SM2 was a mistake, I have never disputed that. They should have only put Kh-38ML on these platforms. Maybe could have left the Su-25SM3 with MTs, but not fully sure about that.
I’m going to group this with the LMUR and BMPT points since they come down to the same thing:
Gaijin adds OP stuff to different nations all the time, often partially as an overcorrection. This is exactly the case for the Pantsir SM-SV. BMPT releasing at 10.3 was just stupid though, no other way to put it.
Leo 2s and Challengers got spall liners the same update as the T-90M. That “took a while” was at most 2-3 weeks.
No real counter for this one. The T-series are just mid all around so I never really notice their well modeled stuff since I just don’t play them.
Absolutely not lol, that is mostly just recency bias.
Why would I waste that time doing so when it’s already clear that you are beyond helping?
I remember you saying the exact same thing in the last “final reply”.
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All paid actors btw
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Couple people on the forums = entire playerbase
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Out of the 2401 people that visited those threads and left a vote, around 2028 people agree with Russian bias. (There are some overlaps but idc, the point is clear)
By your logic, this forum is filled mostly with people that fasly complain about Russian bias.
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So besides the points you just straight up ignored because we both know it absolutely was/ is undeniable bias towards Russia, you can’t really make a counter point to anything I brought, with the best attempt at that being just "oh well other people sometimes get op stuff too, which I addressed and your counter to that is saying recency bias.
However some of the things I listed within that paragraph happened over three years ago so how long until something isn’t recent do we need to go back to 2020 when volumetric started coming out and basically removed all the weak spots from soviet heavy tanks under 6.7 because of how it was modeled? The 278? The KV-1E? Hell the original BR release of the yaks and Gajins treatment of the materials its made out of compared to other vehicles?
Probably should have addressed this before that other paragraph lol, but you mention the challenger and Leo getting there spall liners at the same time as the T90M, however this doesn’t disprove the fact that these vehicles had been in the game for years at this point and were rejected over and over for getting these spall liners, and a better point is Italy whose vehicles did take forever to get the spall liners and in which you can’t even make the argument it would have been unfair for them to get spall liners before others because its the Ariete lmao.
And on your point of Russia’s stuff being through over correction what in the original Pantsir was Russia overcorrecting to fix? They had the 2s6 which was one of the best arguably the best spaa in the game at the time hell they literally had to give it a nerf just so people couldn’t say it was good. The LMUR what were they overcorrecting there? The KA-52 was already one of the best helicopters in the game at the time, and further more the LMUR wasn’t even over corrected it was just given special treatment to the point of other vehicles getting nerfed to make it better. Same with the Bmpt what was it over correcting not like russia was struggling at any of the BR’s its ended up in, not to mention most of it has been willfully ignorant of how it performs IRL to achieve this.
So once again yes other people have had OP stuff, the T-58, the Horten, The R3 at 3.7, or the PUMA, but nobody has consistently and regularly had as much favoritism and overpowered/uncontested vehicles as Russia has had. Nobody has really had the favoritism of bug reports that Russia has had within the community. Not everything is Russian Bias not everything Gajin does is aimed to make Russia an unkillable titan in game, but there is definitely a fondness for Russia not found in other tech trees, so to say that Russia doesn’t receive some bias is just kind of ignorant of the game and some of the major issues it has faced throughout its lifetime.
I mean no shit. For example I don’t play naval, how do you want me to comment on something I don’t know anything about.
Trust me, whatever list you think you have of Russian stuff being overpowered/broken the list of the other nations combined is far longer. NATO nations have gotten a stupid amount of overpowered stuff over the last 10ish years.
VT-4A1 also got them later.
However the Strv 122B+, Leo 2A7V and Chally 3TD were new vehicles that update and all got spall liners on release.
ADATS was just as good as the 2S6. I assume they added it in mind with the incoming missile physics nerfs that absolutely wrecked the 2S6 for a while.
(not that I agree with the reasoning, but that is another point).
All helis, including the Ka-52, were getting wrecked by the new multi SAM systems (it was a glorious time to play top tier GRB if you ask me) so Gaijin decided to give nations new FnF missiles/helis. Which is why the US got the 64E and china got those blue arrow shitty missiles in the same update.
The US was dominating top tier for almost a whole freaking year from march 2018-march 2019 and Germany has had 3 busted beyond believe Leo 2 releases out of the 4 top tier tech tree Leos they received (could even make it 4 out of 5 if you add the 2A4).
What you have listed here doesn’t even make up 5% of the OP stuff nato nations received over the years.
No need to get hostile but its still just undeniable evidence of things definitely being in favor of russia.
Nato has gotten OP stuff yes but the fact we can actually sit here and argue about how every other Nation in the game combined may have more OP stuff then one nation really says something in of itself.
I’m aware the VT-4A1 also got them later just didn’t mention it since I ended up on the Ariete Tangent lol plus I figured Italy was a better example since it included multiple vehicles. And you’re right new vehicles did get the spall liners however once again proving my point these vehicles that were already in game were not allowed to have them until Russia could.
The Adats had some issues with its look up range and far attack of targets especially with the missiles guidance that the 2s6 took advantage over it, although in terms of ground attack the Adats wiped the 2s6 off the floor adats missiles go brrr.
All heli’s may have gotten slapped by new spaa which was nice I agree I don’t think cas should ever be easy, but once again following the update Russia made out best due to special treatment on its weapons not to mention even if all the helicopters are getting slapped it doesn’t really take away from the fact the ka-52 and ka-50 were dominate vehicles especially the ka-50 which couldn’t see advanced spaa, I mean the type 93 was not working wonders against the ka-50.
The US did do well in top tier ground for a while however Russia has definitely held that candle for far longer in the games history hell the last two years give or take a couple months Russia has dominated with CAS which is probably where a large amount of the sentiment comes from.
But once again what you’re saying isn’t detracting from the fact that Russia has been receiving favorable treatment even if other nations occasional get OP stuff as well, it doesn’t take away the fact that for a couple of years trying to get things passed for NATO was impossible while pretty much anything including “I heard from my second cousin who heard from his uncle who knows a guy that’s a janitor at a Russian arms company” as a valid source, hell like six months ago we had a Russian Bug moderator in the forums just denying English bug reports in Russian with no real reason given to why he was doing so lol.
So once again I put my point out there yes other people have received OP things but nobody has received the favoritism that Russia has over the years.
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The average player doesn’t even know about the forums’ existence
yeah my bad, that came off wrong. Just got off a massive stomp in the “new” advance gamemode because my team had a combined 3 braincells, and one of those was mine.
Absolutely true. Russias strongest tool has been their CAS for the last couple years and it has been stupidly overpowered.
What I mainly have a problem with is a lot of people online (I don’t mean you here obviously) overhype Russian MBTs to the sky while they only get such winrates due to their CAS. Hell at the moment top tier Russia can almost only win if they get their CAS up. NATO ground, and especially the US now, has to throw unbelievably hard to lose a game on the ground now after this update.
Yeah this is a fair point.
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