It’s easy to see russia is a paper tiger irl. All their vaunted equipment are jokes.
KH38MT on the Su-34 and Su-30SM/SM2 was a mistake, I have never disputed that. They should have only put Kh-38ML on these platforms. Maybe could have left the Su-25SM3 with MTs, but not fully sure about that.
I’m going to group this with the LMUR and BMPT points since they come down to the same thing:
Gaijin adds OP stuff to different nations all the time, often partially as an overcorrection. This is exactly the case for the Pantsir SM-SV. BMPT releasing at 10.3 was just stupid though, no other way to put it.
Leo 2s and Challengers got spall liners the same update as the T-90M. That “took a while” was at most 2-3 weeks.
No real counter for this one. The T-series are just mid all around so I never really notice their well modeled stuff since I just don’t play them.
Absolutely not lol, that is mostly just recency bias.
Why would I waste that time doing so when it’s already clear that you are beyond helping?
I remember you saying the exact same thing in the last “final reply”.
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All paid actors btw
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Couple people on the forums = entire playerbase
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Out of the 2401 people that visited those threads and left a vote, around 2028 people agree with Russian bias. (There are some overlaps but idc, the point is clear)
By your logic, this forum is filled mostly with people that fasly complain about Russian bias.
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So besides the points you just straight up ignored because we both know it absolutely was/ is undeniable bias towards Russia, you can’t really make a counter point to anything I brought, with the best attempt at that being just "oh well other people sometimes get op stuff too, which I addressed and your counter to that is saying recency bias.
However some of the things I listed within that paragraph happened over three years ago so how long until something isn’t recent do we need to go back to 2020 when volumetric started coming out and basically removed all the weak spots from soviet heavy tanks under 6.7 because of how it was modeled? The 278? The KV-1E? Hell the original BR release of the yaks and Gajins treatment of the materials its made out of compared to other vehicles?
Probably should have addressed this before that other paragraph lol, but you mention the challenger and Leo getting there spall liners at the same time as the T90M, however this doesn’t disprove the fact that these vehicles had been in the game for years at this point and were rejected over and over for getting these spall liners, and a better point is Italy whose vehicles did take forever to get the spall liners and in which you can’t even make the argument it would have been unfair for them to get spall liners before others because its the Ariete lmao.
And on your point of Russia’s stuff being through over correction what in the original Pantsir was Russia overcorrecting to fix? They had the 2s6 which was one of the best arguably the best spaa in the game at the time hell they literally had to give it a nerf just so people couldn’t say it was good. The LMUR what were they overcorrecting there? The KA-52 was already one of the best helicopters in the game at the time, and further more the LMUR wasn’t even over corrected it was just given special treatment to the point of other vehicles getting nerfed to make it better. Same with the Bmpt what was it over correcting not like russia was struggling at any of the BR’s its ended up in, not to mention most of it has been willfully ignorant of how it performs IRL to achieve this.
So once again yes other people have had OP stuff, the T-58, the Horten, The R3 at 3.7, or the PUMA, but nobody has consistently and regularly had as much favoritism and overpowered/uncontested vehicles as Russia has had. Nobody has really had the favoritism of bug reports that Russia has had within the community. Not everything is Russian Bias not everything Gajin does is aimed to make Russia an unkillable titan in game, but there is definitely a fondness for Russia not found in other tech trees, so to say that Russia doesn’t receive some bias is just kind of ignorant of the game and some of the major issues it has faced throughout its lifetime.
I mean no shit. For example I don’t play naval, how do you want me to comment on something I don’t know anything about.
Trust me, whatever list you think you have of Russian stuff being overpowered/broken the list of the other nations combined is far longer. NATO nations have gotten a stupid amount of overpowered stuff over the last 10ish years.
VT-4A1 also got them later.
However the Strv 122B+, Leo 2A7V and Chally 3TD were new vehicles that update and all got spall liners on release.
ADATS was just as good as the 2S6. I assume they added it in mind with the incoming missile physics nerfs that absolutely wrecked the 2S6 for a while.
(not that I agree with the reasoning, but that is another point).
All helis, including the Ka-52, were getting wrecked by the new multi SAM systems (it was a glorious time to play top tier GRB if you ask me) so Gaijin decided to give nations new FnF missiles/helis. Which is why the US got the 64E and china got those blue arrow shitty missiles in the same update.
The US was dominating top tier for almost a whole freaking year from march 2018-march 2019 and Germany has had 3 busted beyond believe Leo 2 releases out of the 4 top tier tech tree Leos they received (could even make it 4 out of 5 if you add the 2A4).
What you have listed here doesn’t even make up 5% of the OP stuff nato nations received over the years.
No need to get hostile but its still just undeniable evidence of things definitely being in favor of russia.
Nato has gotten OP stuff yes but the fact we can actually sit here and argue about how every other Nation in the game combined may have more OP stuff then one nation really says something in of itself.
I’m aware the VT-4A1 also got them later just didn’t mention it since I ended up on the Ariete Tangent lol plus I figured Italy was a better example since it included multiple vehicles. And you’re right new vehicles did get the spall liners however once again proving my point these vehicles that were already in game were not allowed to have them until Russia could.
The Adats had some issues with its look up range and far attack of targets especially with the missiles guidance that the 2s6 took advantage over it, although in terms of ground attack the Adats wiped the 2s6 off the floor adats missiles go brrr.
All heli’s may have gotten slapped by new spaa which was nice I agree I don’t think cas should ever be easy, but once again following the update Russia made out best due to special treatment on its weapons not to mention even if all the helicopters are getting slapped it doesn’t really take away from the fact the ka-52 and ka-50 were dominate vehicles especially the ka-50 which couldn’t see advanced spaa, I mean the type 93 was not working wonders against the ka-50.
The US did do well in top tier ground for a while however Russia has definitely held that candle for far longer in the games history hell the last two years give or take a couple months Russia has dominated with CAS which is probably where a large amount of the sentiment comes from.
But once again what you’re saying isn’t detracting from the fact that Russia has been receiving favorable treatment even if other nations occasional get OP stuff as well, it doesn’t take away the fact that for a couple of years trying to get things passed for NATO was impossible while pretty much anything including “I heard from my second cousin who heard from his uncle who knows a guy that’s a janitor at a Russian arms company” as a valid source, hell like six months ago we had a Russian Bug moderator in the forums just denying English bug reports in Russian with no real reason given to why he was doing so lol.
So once again I put my point out there yes other people have received OP things but nobody has received the favoritism that Russia has over the years.
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The average player doesn’t even know about the forums’ existence
yeah my bad, that came off wrong. Just got off a massive stomp in the “new” advance gamemode because my team had a combined 3 braincells, and one of those was mine.
Absolutely true. Russias strongest tool has been their CAS for the last couple years and it has been stupidly overpowered.
What I mainly have a problem with is a lot of people online (I don’t mean you here obviously) overhype Russian MBTs to the sky while they only get such winrates due to their CAS. Hell at the moment top tier Russia can almost only win if they get their CAS up. NATO ground, and especially the US now, has to throw unbelievably hard to lose a game on the ground now after this update.
Yeah this is a fair point.
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All good haven’t played it did two matches of Nuclear thunder and felt like burning something to the ground lol.
The Russian MBT’s are mid but I feel a lot of the frustration comes from the fact they are being propped up in effectiveness by selective buffing and nerfing to it as well as they have the most inconsistency in them. Things like ammo failing to Det, lack of components the autoloaders and other parts acting as spall liners ect ect, like yeah they are mid but other tanks often feel held back to keep these tanks in the loop which can be annoying.
Like I play Japan it was super upsetting to see that component they were going to give the Type 10 to slow down its autoloader if it was hit, but not seeing this present for the Russian Mbts.
So like I’m not going to preach about Russian tanks being some unstoppable monster but like I totally get where the frustration comes from with other players.
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Unfortunately representative sampling is a thing and multimillion dollar companies use it all the time.
Why? Because it is actually a relatively reliable form of data.
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Sampling shouldn’t be done in a place literally made for people to mald in lol.
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Overcorrection?
Overcorrection of S1 being an SPAA a whole generation above every other SPAA in the game while people were using rolands and ADATS?
Overcorrection of Russian players being incompetent with extremely potent missiles in form of Kh29T/TE/TD so they get a missile a whole generation over everything else ingame, capable of high supersonic speed, almost guaranteed overpressure kill and IR seeker while once again being part of the only nation with an SPAA capable of countering it while every other nation had squat?
Overcorrection of adding SLM into the game that was the first very SPAA to actually protect the ground forces somewhat from people that were using Su34s and Su30s as guaranteed kill farms because they just flew up high and pressed space incapable of doing anything else so they add an LDIRCM immune helicopter both to china and russia in the same update and the very next one give the russian one the hands down best heli ATGM ingame?
Overcorrection of what exactly has led gaijin to add a T90B/M chassis with unmanned autocannons and missiles with ammo belts that are literally cut in half by Gaijin themeselves telling us that “no no, only the bottom part of the ammo actually functions like ammo, the upper one? thats actually just non-explosive ammo-shaped glowsticks”
And the best thing is that in dev it actually blew up when you hit it!
It is not overcorrection, it is at best an immeasurable incompetence and at worst blatant bias towards a nation that the developers are from. Hungary based company is hardly a joke if majority of them are in Moscow.
Imagine any single one pvp game, where the developers include a blatantly overpowered champion/weapon/armor/items/etc. but only to one side and leave it like that FOR YEARS!
Imagine playing League of Legends or any other multitude of MOBAs where one champion would be game breakingly broken to the point where they can solo the entire match on their own.
Because that is literally what weve seen.
Spawn a light tank, scout a few times, spawn fully loaded Su34, get 6-12 free kills, get shot down, spawn Su30SM because its cost isnt shared, kill the plane that killed you, get 6-12 free kills, finally die, spawn in the hands down best SPAA at the time to effortlessly shoot down enemy planes, respawn in an Su34 backup.
And after they changed the SP costs literally the only thing that happened is that players exchanged Su34 for Mi28NM lmao.
THEY WERENT EVEN PLANNED!!!
Or have you forgotten that the only vehicle that was planned to have spall liners was literally just T90M and nothing else until there was an uproar and gaijin have cracked to put it on other tanks. If that hadnt happened T90M would have been the only one and the fact that they were playing with the thought of “anti-radiation liner” in T90A now acting as a semi-spall liner recently is telling enough.
the most shameful and disgusting thing is that the very thing that you are calling a mistake is now happening with ARMs.
According with BVVD they are planning on adding ER HARMs however this will take a long time and lets be honest, given their previous track record i personally dont have high hopes for it.
So putting that aside, we now once again have an extremely strong, extremely fast (faster than any other missile ingame, where have i heard that before) missile with very large warhead (i really think im getting a deja vu rn) in high numbers (6x on Su30/34s, 4x on Su27SM) with wide band coverage… While NATO is using HARM Cs…
Im sure gaijin is just “overcorrecting” right now.
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M1, 2A5, 2A6, DM53, 5s reload on NATO tanks, Leclerc S1, 2A7V, SLM, Type 90, M1A1, M829A3, etc.
All examples of “overcorrection” on Gaijins part. All of these vehicles/changes were arguably or straight up unnecessary, OP, or “overcorrection”.
It is easier to just accept that Gajiin is a business with shtty business practices, being that they prioritize chasing the bag over everything else.
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Stock M829A2…
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I mean, you only get 5 second reload after you spade the tank… and most people you face are definitely not spaded.
And then your loader gets injured or killed… and then it goes up to what? Slower than the T series who have an auto loader and call also still aim and shoot back unlike the basket gang.
Also, you can’t ignore everything that dude just said over a five second reload. He brought up some good points. But you two are so angry that y’all can’t meet in the middle.
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Yeah that was unnessary. They should’ve just fixed the armor.
But also they gave everyone the previously best round stock. Wish they hadn’t, felt a bit like a here you go shut up to the community
Wdym? Spading does not correlate with reload speed.
Level 0 crew is 6s, still on par with T-80 and ACED Leo, and faster than T-72 style autoloaders.
Upgraded loader with basic crew is 5.8, faster than any Leo/T-80.
Experted is 5.3, and this is an amazing reload speed.
Aced is 5s, which is not that different to 5.3.
You’ve lost 2 crew. A T-XX in this scenario is dead.
Which is why I brought in other points. Gaijin likes money, they favor no nation. I am not angry though.
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Ok, but what are the MBT/Kpz-70, Leo 2K, M1, M247, AH-1Z, Leo 2A5, ADATS, M1A2, Strv 122A, Leo 2A6/Strv 122B PLSS, Puma, Leo 2A7s, Strv 122B+.
And these were just a handful of the list of NATO vehicles that released overpowered-absurdly overpowered.
Just like M829A1 and L27A1 weren’t planned when Gaijin was adding the Leo 2A6 with DM53. Does that mean German bias?
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