That’s not how this works, otherwise a ton of aircraft would have a lot mores access to stores, for example why can’t the F-16 take A2A missiles on their innermost wing station?
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oh why dont you post the source just like i did?
That was literally a second thing i posted in this thread yesterday.
The tankograd source explicitly lists 2-4mil to be values for maximum dispersion, which would show that the ingame dispersion is much better than it should be.
Median value is completely worthless in this regard as the game models dispersion by using maximum dispersion values w/ standard deviation - and the maximum dispersion values are 2-4mil irl, thus much higher than the current ingame maximum dispersion value of 1.42mil.
the table that dosent explain at what firerate, but you choose to ignore the source i posted about tankograd that talks specifically at 2-4 mil irl its the issue with high RPM
Well a median value is the only thing documentation provided, which was enough at a time to disprove the wet dreams of some guys in here. I believe you that in-game it’s accuracy is better than IRL, that’s only a game.
Dude, once again, 2-4mil is 100% of the hits, provided by a firing table 0.5 mils is 50% of hits. What’s so hard to understand?
Even if we take 0.5mil as value for 1 Sigma (68.27%), despite it being for only 50% of shells, then the ingame dispersion would still be better than it should be. (1.5mil 3σ vs 1.42mil 3σ [ingame])
So you are literally disproving your own statement here.
it should struggle to hit a tank sized target at ~700m at full firerate.
This was a statement i was disproving.
All that with just one DIRCM ball ( it can only target missiles coming from behind / underneath.
Highly convenient inaccuracy just left in the game.
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what do you mean “its possible”… its a continuous belt of rounds being guided into the breech.
This is nothing new in war thunder as we have multiple other system with chainguns that use a belt to guide ammunition from the storage into the gun (Marder, any bushmaster, etc., hell even wiesel 1A4 has full on external belts that insta kill the vehicle on hit)
Modern kinetic penetrators that are meant to combat enemy ERA feature a much weaker extended tip that acts as an activator for the ERA protecting the main body.
In case of USA the M829A3 features a small ~10cm ish steel tip before the main DU body.
By activating the ERA earlier with the steel tip before the main DU body slams into it the reduction to penetration is just partial compared to if you hit it normally without it.
the base modular missile exists. We saw it in the war in the ML variation. However what is dubious that the seeker itself for the IR version exists and/or in the case that it does exists its able to hit not only a small enough target like tank but also a tank that is on the move.
Similar missiles like the french Hammer use IR mainly against targets that are stationary and strategic, using the laser guided versions against moving targets like cars/trucks.
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Welp that statement is overexaggerated, sure.
The ingame dispersion is however still way too low compared to even an unrealistically optimistic value (i.e. acting as if the dispersion of 68.27% of shells is the same as that listed for just 50% of shells).
Also dispersion of weapons is changed sometimes, such as recently (albeit quite the bs change because figures for an entirely unrelated weapon were used as source) the changes to KDA and KDE - aswell as GA35 (which the source was for) which now feature maximum dispersions of 1.68mrad.
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Good luck finding documentation for a 2019 helicopter or a 2022 missile
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The picture clearly shows the possibility of mounting 4 lmurs on 1 side.
Hi so, this is not the case, the 8 x Kh-39 loadout in game is fake, alongside the Strelets loadout.
Both should be limted to 2 pylons like everything else, as seen here on the loading chart.
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Everything on the inner pylons SHOULD be rocket pods or iron bombs of varying models.
Yeah you can fan boy Cillian and whatever
In case of USA the M829A3 features a small ~10cm ish steel tip before the main DU body.
Oh wow, thanks for explaining it. Early soviet APFSDS rounds actually featured similar construction, but for different purposes. I believe in game though, rounds characteristics are balance values, so that’s why it won’t be added.
the base modular missile exists. We saw it in the war in the ML variation. However what is dubious that the seeker itself for the IR version exists and/or in the case that it does exists its able to hit not only a small enough target like tank but also a tank that is on the move.
Similar missiles like the french Hammer use IR mainly against targets that are stationary and strategic, using the laser guided versions against moving targets like cars/trucks.
Well, in the advertisement booklet it says it has “inertial + satellite + thermal imager guiding systems”. Yea, when you put it that way i can kind of see the problem. Tank is not really a small target, it’s not impossible for hardware locate it in the IR channel, but not at that range probably, so it uses the combination of said navigation systems to accomplish this.
Everything on the inner pylons SHOULD be rocket pods or iron bombs of varying models.
Hello there, well loadout in not really a state secret. When i was searching i got confused by this photo, i didn’t notice it was Ka-52, not Mi-28. So you’re probably right.
no round characteristics are not a balance value, they require actual real world performance information. You cant just go to DM53 and be like “hmmmm i dont like it, -100mm flat pen at point blank” and vice versa.
in comparison to a strategic target like a factory/warehouse/bridge they are very much small. These types of missiles tend to be generally used against strategic targets rather than specifically being used in anti tank role. Both from the financial and also from the logistics side.
again, most of those systems are worthless against any mobile target. INS is for long range stabilization and GPS guidanceis for course correction and isnt useful against targets that can be or are on the move.
SLAM-ER for example uses GPS coordinates with terminal IIR guidance to hit strategic objects but specifically has the ability to strike targets of opportunity i.e. tanks and similar objects.
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look harder
They fire more than 2-5 rounds in a row, the same can’t be said for 2A42. Firing the entire belt on any autocannon would lead to heating concerns.
Where?
Never said it’s less accurate. Quote the “own words” in question.
I do because half of this sentence is false.
For single shots.
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You are, and NERA does not use space to defeat shaped charges. Google it. You may learn something.
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